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Saturday, June 22. 2013
I am only speaking for myself, not for all on the commune here. My opinion is that we have immigration laws for a reason. If you are here illegally, it should be illegal for you to have a job or to even be here. I don't care whether you are Mexican or Bulgarian or Canadian. The US should enforce its immigration laws. What is "broken" about US immigration is absence of enforcement.
There are legal paths to become an American citizen. First, you apply for a green card. Then we decide whether you would add value to the country in some way that Americans can't. It usually takes years.
Otherwise, fix your own country so it's more like ours. America does not need more people. We have too many losers already.
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I think the immigration bill is horrible. Anytime that Schumer pushes something that hard, you know it's bad bad bad for the America we love. I have no doubt that the end result would be that we would become like Mexico or Brazil--a white elite, a vast brown working class, and a group of blacks with no hope. But it WOULD be a majority Democratic voting country. And big business WOULD get all the cheap engineers they need. Who do they think they're fooling? I know lots of American engineers who are out of work, but they want to bring in more from India and China and the Philippines. The whole thing is sickening.
Me self takes no small pleasure in remindin' yanks that imimgration today was gift of yall's demigod who told yall, him never left domocrat party.
May yall 'cuse me while meself rolls on the floor.
Good point. There are a LOT of things wrong that Reagan did. Amnesty being #1 Never cutting a single department being #2. Etc. As far as I'm concerned, he was all talk.
It seems clear to me that all this is about is creating a new constituency for the Democrats, to give them a permanent "lock" on power. A major part of the bill is "education" efforts on immigrant rights to be carried out by, you guessed it, community organizers and the unions such as SEIU. Just right to educate them on how the Democrats will give them lots of free stuff for the rest of their lives. The same features are also in Obamacare.
How this can possibly be considered when the real unemployment rate in this country is somewhere between 12-15% is mind-boggling.
I am afraid it is at the point where I believe both the Democrat and Republican parties have betrayed this country, the Democrats for power, the GOP to fill their rapidly shrinking pockets with more money while they still can.
But there is nothing to replace them with.
Nothing is going to happen. The Democrats got what they wanted when the Supreme's neutered voter ID law.
It would be counter productive now for amnesty to happen, the Dems would lose a victim group. Now they can raise money to help the poor illegals, register them to vote even if they are illegal, and gain more of their votes by painting the Republicans as the bad guys for stone walling amnesty.
The whole fucking thing is a giant charade.
I believe that the vast majority of US citizens want illegal immigration absolutely stopped. Yet most are for legal immaigration.
Common sense needs to win out, but it won't. All the politicians in DC are just posturing for the next election.
It would not surprise me to see violence take place in the next 5 - 10 years to change the direction of this country.
200 million people, out of nowhere, are protesting in the streets of Brazil ostensibly over bus fare hikes.
How much longer till we get to that last straw moment here?
Your take on immigration reform would at one time have been thought of as unremarkable since it is just basic common sense. But as we all know, common sense is becoming increasingly uncommon. Which is one of the reasons that websites like Maggie's are increasingly important.
I think the world needs more America. But I'm just rephrasing what the News Junkie said. I think.
like America the UK has idiots for politicians .Controlled immigration is the only way for a modern country. They seem to be frightened to do anything because of being branded racist . Our medical services ,education ,social services ,housing and the ability of the population to find jobs is overwhelming a small country like the UK and all the politicians can find that is an important issue is, gay marriage......
The problem with "immigration reform" is it is merely nice sounding words. It no more "reforms" immigration then the "affordable care act" made care more affordable. Immigration reform in it's present incarnation should be called "giving up America act". If it goes through it is over, we are done, fini. There aren't enough working stiffs to pay enough taxes to support all the new welfare recipients and citizens put out of jobs because of the new cheap labor. The system will collapse and we will look more like Argentina then America. I do not think this was simply the unintended consequence, I think this result is the intent. Who in their right mind would challenge us militarily? The only way to knock the U.S. out of world dominance is to take it over from the inside; bankrupt it create a massive crisis and then offer the starving people an alternative to civil war. This is how it all ends...
Lindsay makes the generalization that Hispanics are very close to "our" value system and Republicans are turning them off, thereby giving him an excuse to ratify one lousy immigration reform bill?
First, Hispanic is a broad term that in no way encompasses the values shared by all peoples south of the Rio Grande. Frankly, my friends from Costa Rica don't share too many values with the illegal Columbians and Mexicans in my community who are pushing drugs. Nor does my legal son-in-law, whose relatives hail from Argentina, have much in common with the Somalis who have multiplied ten-fold in the last ten years by smuggling in their illegal relatives through our porous borders and have no intention of working a legal job.
Second, just because a child has a temper tantrum doesn't mean you give in to behavior that will have deleterious affect on the family unit. We are a country of laws; enforce them or remove them from the books.
Maybe the name of the GOP needs to be changed. Most like-minded souls in my circles support The Bill of Rights, The Constitution as written, most of its amendments (not fond of the IRS's methods) and are willing to fight to change amendments that have proved inappropriate for the jurisdiction of the Federal government. They also want smaller, more local government that responds to the needs of its citizens, not the elite in Washington who are looking for re-election regardless of the means used; i.e. term limits, term limits, term limits.
The fundamental problem with "Immigration Reform" and about every high-profile so-called reform being called for today is either one of two things:
It's either fiddling while the Country burns - out political class' self-involved distraction away from their incapacity or disinclination to address more pressing matters;
Or, it's a matter of real urgency*, but our political class can't be trusted to address it competently or with the best interests of their constituents in mind.
*This urgency probably created or exacerbated by the politicians who now want reform.
There be a bucket load of jobs for US as we round illegals up and ship them back where they came from.
Treat them like a good lookin' woman.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZdkCExkj8
"It usually takes years". That is wrong. In fact, you have the entire thing backwards. You should have stopped after the first sentence.
1) America was built on immigration. It didn't take 'years' for my parents to immigrate from Europe to Canada. What changed?
2) Drop welfare and other handouts to new immigrants. No government programs, healthcare, subsidies, ad nauseum. You work or you go back to where you came from.
3) It takes years because they need it to seem complicated. The prime purpose of the Immigration bureaucracy is to keep their jobs.
Three simple steps and you can welcome new immigrants without long delays and additions to welfare.
Here are the other places you've gone wrong.
"absence of enforcement". Give. Me. A. Break. This is so wrong that I am shocked that you cannot see where this would lead. Now you want police to be making routine stops and asking for your papers? You want employers to be immigration police? Are you going to be legally responsible if someone finds out that the nanny who you hired is here illegally?
I guess that the next step in your 'solution' is to ensure everyone has a government issued identity card that can be checked at any time.
Having a job should depend on your ability to do the task that is available. Nothing else.
"We decide whether you would add value"? Ouch! Who is the 'WE'? Another bureaucracy dedicated to tracking employee productivity? The ONLY person entitled to decide whether I add value is... my employer. Now you want the government to be involved in your hiring decisions?
The existing "legal paths" are absurdly long and convoluted. The entire Immigration process is a joke. It is a monstrous, bloated, blood-sucking leech and your contention that "enforcement" is the solution is like complaining that the IRS isn't doing a good enough job making sure that each and every law in the tax code is being observed.
You have this Leviathan in your living room and you are complaining that the kids are dropping crumbs on the floor.