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Tuesday, June 11. 2013

Temperature controls CO2 levels


Climatology Prof. Salby explains why the climate models are wrong. It's slightly technical for our handicapped challenged readers who can't do fairly simple math and is intended for a sophisticated audience, but the message is clear. (h/t Powerline)


He is not, of course, the first to note that CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere lag behind temperature rises, but he makes a compelling presentation. (It begins in German but quickly switches to English.)


This is a serious man. "The models have no predictive skill."








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Bummer for all those NGOs and government weenies if this means all those fabulous save the planet parties summits are going to end.
#1 phil g on 2013-06-11 17:32 (Reply)
And, with his buddies in Washington, I'm sure he has a way for those of us in flyover country to pay for it.
#2 Kevin in WI on 2013-06-12 00:06 (Reply)
Bloomberg that is, not herr professor.
#3 Kevin in WI on 2013-06-12 00:07 (Reply)
So here we have a math-heavy technical talk that's openly anti-AGW and not a single comment from the Z-borg about all the fallacies in Salby's presentation? I'm disappointed. I guess the math was too hard for some to follow. (There were intermediate steps missing here and there---not surprising for a talk instead of a published article---but otherwise the case Salby presented seemed straightforward, comprehensive, and logical to me.)
#4 Agent Cooper on 2013-06-12 03:53 (Reply)
Excellent exploration on measurement error and what are the issues with using aged samples. I recall asking this question to the Z team a while back to some hand waving about there being too many articles to explore this most fundamental question. Funny what you can uncover when you ask those simple, fundamental questions about data quality.

We have a saying at work - Follow the data. It has it's own story to tell. Torture the data (to fit your story) and it will make false confessions (to your peril). Also enjoyed the part about determining the significant terms for an equation for a model and the obvious statement that there is an initial guess (hypothesis), a math model is chosen to fit that hypothesis and if it doesn't predict well enough - all models are wrong, some are useful (statistical hypothesis refuted or lately in the warming models rsquared such crap you can see it graphically w/o running the test) it's time for a new guess. Or you can add another fudge factor and stick your head in the sand a while longer.

Agent Cooper the Z team had trouble in a post a while back with Archimedes' principal. Give them some time to digest. I hope they surprise me but so far they have set my expectations very low.
#4.1 Karen on 2013-06-12 07:30 (Reply)
Karen,

the Z team had trouble in a post a while back with Archimedes' principal

Were you suggesting, in a nice way, that Z's ideas don't float around here or just that he shouldn't go swimming because he'd just sink and drown?

Maybe the analogy wasn't intended but it did give me a chuckle.

Thanx.

TC
#4.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-12 17:11 (Reply)
Gary the Z team actually brandished Archimedes Principal a few months back on this blog as if it would so stun this audience by referencing an actual principal that we would cower. Unfortunately for them (and at this time I thought they were one person- perhaps a student at a community college - so it's all the worse that this is supposedly a conferring group. Wow.) they so horribly botched it that I lost all respect for their technical abilities. In my world if a young person demonstrates lack of mastery of fundamentals there is no second chance, not even management (doubly so if smug about it). If they can't master something that basic, well all you have now is a parrot and not a very good one. Now they are incapable of following the math laid out on this video so they "need a transcript". Consistently disappointing.
#4.1.1.1 Karen on 2013-06-13 17:51 (Reply)
Karen,

I agree...so sad...

Z (& company) are in over their head(s).

I enjoy your succint commenting (as do buddy...I believe).

Z team...lost cause(s)...

TC
#4.1.1.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-13 23:24 (Reply)
**succinct (have to quit typing with my socks on)
#4.1.1.1.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-14 14:52 (Reply)
Bird Dog: is intended for a sophisticated audience, but the message is clear.

Great. Then you won't mind providing Salby's journal paper on the subject, or at last a transcript.
#5 Zachriel on 2013-06-12 08:18 (Reply)
"you won't mind providing Salby's journal paper..."

We all see what you're doing there. Can you get any more pathetic?
#5.1 Agent Cooper on 2013-06-12 13:17 (Reply)
Yes, we would like to see Salby's original paper, or at least a transcript, so that we don't have to transcribe an hour-long lecture.
#5.1.1 Zachriel on 2013-06-12 18:07 (Reply)

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