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Thursday, May 9. 2013Thursday morning linksHollywood "Script Evaluators" Now Being Consulted to Punch Up Scripts into Box Office Gold Eastern US about to be overrun by Cicadas Birds love to eat them. Free school breakfasts: Another Destructive Liberal Idea Europe's Bureaucracy Warns That Resistance Is Futile I can't believe...that every faculty member at Texas A&M is really happy about signing a climate loyalty oath. Warmists Invent Yet Another New Way To Say Warmth Is Being Hidden Related: CBS News Bosses Irked by Correspondent's Thorough Benghazi Reporting Benghazi stinks – but it won't be Obama's Watergate. As Dennis Miller put it:
Eighth grader hauled into court for calling classmate ‘horse’ and ‘fat ass’ Whatever happened to "sticks and stones..."? Lefty wants government bailout of homeowners Isn't the mortgage interest deduction enough of a bailout? Sultan on amnesty and the Food Stamp Nation New White House amnesty campaign: “Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else” The Indians came here from somewhere else too, Mongolia or something, and totally screwed up the ecology, killed off all of the big animals and set fires to the prairies Trackbacks
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As i Live & Breathe, I shall ALWAYS be loyal to the Climate!
hey guys,please checkout this university of N Nigeria website
http://www.unn.edu.ng/department/international-and-jurisprudence "The Indians came here from somewhere else too... killed off all of the big animals..."
Yes indeed, my ancestors were from elsewhere - but I have to suppose that said megafauna was delicious and nutritious - otherwise why hunt such dangerous game? QUOTE: The k2p blog: How is it that – for a settled science – all these new “cooling” mechanisms are suddenly being found? Because that's how science works: It draws the basic outline, then fills in more and more of the details. Climate science is an active field of study. The cooling effect is not sufficient to slow global warming appreciably, but can have regional effects. You missed the "settled" part of his comment. You're suddenly acting like the science isn't settled, which is in direct contradiction to everything you've said before now.
In other words, just like the article said, you're just making it up as you go along. Remember what I said a while back about your taking a nice long vacation? Give it some thought. Dr. Mercury: You missed the "settled" part of his comment. You're suddenly acting like the science isn't settled, which is in direct contradiction to everything you've said before now.
Quantum theory is "settled" in the conventional meaning that quanta have both wave and particle attributes, but still an active field of study with many surprises still in store. Evolutionary theory is also "settled" in the conventional meaning that life descended and adapted naturally from common ancestors. The conventional meaning is certainly how k2p blog was using the term. We usually avoid the word "settled" as it implies stasis. However, anthropogenic climate change is well established science, though there is still uncertainty over climate sensitivity. Well established as in all peer reviewed papers were only reviewed by those who agree with the concept.
Scientific in that all those who disagree are either bought off by oil companies or just evil. Settled in that the predictions based on the settled science have been consistently wrong and new predictions have been constantly revised toward less warming. AGW as scientific fact is a joke. I was going to say it's the final conceit, but it isn't. There will always be more (usually on the left) theories about how man can improve or destroy nature. Anybody for unsinkable boats? Anybody for unsinkable boats? I have an unsinkable pool float. Does that count? The brand name is The Unsinkable Molly Brown.
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BillH
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2013-05-09 10:22
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In the early 1900s, there was a lot of hubris about what man could accomplish. It was the Progressive Era where eugenics was going to improve the human race (well, the white race anyway, it was to destroy the inferior races), there was no longer any need for the Patent Office because everything had already been invented, and in 1909, and unsinkable ship was built - the RMS Titanic.
Now, progressives don't only want to talk about the weather, they want to do something about it.
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mudbug
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2013-05-09 11:16
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mudbug: Well established as in all peer reviewed papers were only reviewed by those who agree with the concept.
You seem to have the wrong view of peer review publication. Scientists publish to convince their peers. In any case, skeptics can publish papers undermining a prevailing theory, but only if the evidence warrants publication.
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Zachriel
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2013-05-09 13:52
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Not the scientists I've known. They publish for peer review so their ideas get vetted. Experiments are reproduced to see if similar results are achieved. Otherwise it's not science, it's a pep-rally.
Convincing your peers who will not examine or challenge you theory is sort of like the way the press operates today. They report what they want regardless of facts that counter their meme. No wonder you lefties like that! It's all part of a continuous echo chamber.
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mudbug
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2013-05-09 20:26
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That's very odd. They publish just so they can see their name in print? Rather, most scientists hope to contribute to scientific understanding in their field. The greatest hope is to make a discovery that overturns a prevailing paradigm. But that requires evidence.
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Zachriel
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2013-05-09 21:28
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You lost me... From where in my post did you get the idea that scientists published just to get their names in print?
Paradigms should be challenged (as in reviewed by people who may have counter evidence or who may have found errors in logic, data, assumptions...). That does not describe the process where AGW proponents had their papers reviewed. In fact, they did not and still do not welcome challenges to their theories. See, AGW is a paradigm. Which of its proponents welcome a challenge? They all claim it is settled science. If it's settled, then there's no need for examination, is there? Really, this is pretty basic stuff and stuff I have already said above.
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mudbug
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2013-05-09 21:40
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mudbug: Which of its proponents welcome a challenge?
Nearly all scientists welcome a challenge.
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Zachriel
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2013-05-10 06:55
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Then the climate "scientists" at East Anglia are not.
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mudbug
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2013-05-10 09:02
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With a big enough bilge pump, you could float the world.
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arcs
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2013-05-09 15:29
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One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority.
"Doctor Pinero" in Life-Line (1939), Robt A. Heinlein
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buddy larsen
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2013-05-09 21:29
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We usually avoid the word "settled" as it implies stasis is now a laughing stock.
FIFY Actually that's completely wrong.
But what's funny is that you're making statements about factors that aren't yet known...that's not science. It's bias. After mastering explanations ex post facto, z's now mastering prescience. Heaven help us.
According to your prescription, a valid scientific theory would have to account for every detail. That's clearly not the case, and we provided counterexamples. The evidence for common descent is well supported, even if the details of every lineage isn't known.
"According to your prescription, a valid scientific theory would have to account for every detail."
Not at all. That's your straw man argument. You said, "The cooling effect is not sufficient to slow global warming appreciably, " which is not only idle conjecture on your part, but is being proven to be wrong empirically. Science obviously isn't your thing. Maggie's posts often on cooking and music, maybe you'd be better commenting on those. "that's how science works: It draws the basic outline, then fills in more and more of the details"
Not exactly. That's overly simplistic. Science is not only deductive but also inductive, working from generalizations to detail and also in the opposite direction from detail to generalizations. Sometimes grand theories or speculations lead to specific experiments for validation, yielding an accumulation of detailed facts, and at other times the accumulation of detailed facts leads to the formulation of broad scientific theories and laws. Science progresses both ways, folowing a sort of intellectual Brownian motion. re: cicada hatch.....we had a horrendous hatch down here in SC about three/four years ago. The screech drove sane people mad and mad people sane....I thought they only happened every seven years....
Native Americans, otherwise known as first immigrants, came from Asia and the South Pacific. But some also came from Europe. Considerable evidence that some of those early immigrants were of European descent. The people who study this believe there were three to a couple dozen major waves of immigration of people who would eventually become "native Americans". Life then was brutal and each wave of immigrants killed and enslaved previous waves in a way that would make post Columbian immigration l;ook tame by comparison. Some of those tribes of noble warriors made a career out of slavery capturing slaves to work to death supporting them. In addition to the major waves of immigration there were lessor waves of immigration from Asia and the South Pacific perhaps 3 to 4 dozen of these each adding to the 'flavor" of what would become "native Americans". In between waves of immigration the various tribes would fight for land and resources committing genocide proudly and arrogantly as a natural consequence of their inability to coexist peacefully. It is interesting that the "native American" word for stranger is the same for enemy. These children of the forest developed more and varied gruesome methods of torture, maiming and killing of their enemies and slaves. The Mayans were known to kill entire tribes in excess of a couple hundred men, women and children as part of a religious ceremony. The more ghastly the method of death the better. Such is the common history of the noble warriors we now choose to call "native Americans".
“Unless you’re a Native American, you came from someplace else”
A profoundly scientifically-ignorant statement....but as it comes from the science deniers and haters who occupy the Obama WH, it should occasion no surprise. I've posted the following link before at MF. http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/ Run the animation and watch the migration of humanity across the globe. Prior to circa 25,000 y/o, the Americas were entirely uninhabited. At that juncture, Eurasians began to cross over into Alaska and to disperse southward. They eventually reached South America, first along the east coast and then later along the west coast of that continent. The Inuit were the last to arrive in N.A. from Eurasia. Everyone who lives in the Americas--or whose ancestors lived there--has come from elsewhere, including the misnamed "Native Americans." As the Canadians put it, there are "First Nations," but there are NO "native" Americans. Hey, WH mokes, the science on this is settled. I copied that, and sent it around to a few folks, hope you don't mind. Attributed, of course, to your alias --an effort much akin to cutting a popcorn fart, but still.
I believe the Dennis Miller quote is spot on.
And I just don't think the American people care. Free school breakfast! Does this mean no one pays? Taxpayer free? I do have a question for the legal minds here: If a family is provided food stamps and of course the vast array of other welfare available to them shouldn't they be able to feed their own children and in fact isn't that the bargin they made to get food stamps and welfare? So wouldn't taking "free" lunch at school be fraud? Wouldn't it also indicate a failure on the part of the parent? A failure so great that it would be proper for the government to remove those children from the household? After all the government is paying the parent to feed the children and this clearly is not happening so where is the money going? If the mother is spending the money on drugs, cigarettes and alcohol instead of feeding the child why is this acceptable? The very act of needing and accepting "free" school lunches and breakfasts should be grounds for both prosecution for fraud and having the children taken from the parent.
I was thinking the same thing, Gone. How is it that we have 'starving' children in America if their families receive both food stamps AND free breakfast and lunch throughout the school year? Shouldn't the amount of food stamps be cut back during the school months to compensate for the other free food being given to these people's children?
There are double and triple coverages for these people...first food stamps, then free school breakfast/lunch, then food banks and soup kitchens across the nation. So, you get food stamps to feed your family but then can get 3 meals a day for your kids by sending them to school to going to a soup kitchen for dinner? If we are going to give people food stamps, they should be actual coupons that can only be used for fruits, breads, vegetables, meats and milk products. You get so many fruit coupons, so many vegetable coupons, etc. This would also eliminate the argument that fresh fruits and vegetables are 'too expensive' for the poor to purchase. If the coupon is valid for the item rather than an amount that can be spent, the cost in not an issue. This would also be true for meat coupons. No lobster or high end meats, but the basics, beef coupon, chicken coupon, pork coupon, etc. A friend of mine associated with A&M was unaware of the required loyalty oath, but the school informed her it was a matter strictly for the department and the university administration (thanks to faculty self-government and tenure) has nothing to say about it.
Perfect; a tradition designed to protect dissident voices in academic research, and there by encouraging wide ranging thinking in scholarly circles, has been twisted instead into a weapon of enforcing monolithic thinking in science. That's a rich irony. Somehow we must breach the citadel of socialism in American universities. CODE OF THE WEST--Thank you for reminding me of why it is that I love our family's previous generation so much--they lived this way and left us a great state (MT).
GLOBAL WARMING--I cannot any longer be very tolerant of those fools who refuse to see, observe, and acknowledge that there have been several weather diversities in the past 20 years that are "different" (abnormal) from what we were accustomed to during the previous forty years. That there has been change must not be ignored any longer. The reason for that change must be examined by rigorous, courageous (few of those left) scientists. Perhaps, the "Code of the West" should be a required pledge signed by scientists doing research on government monies.? CODE OF THE WEST--Thank you for reminding me of why it is that I love our family's previous generation so much--they lived this way and left us a great state (MT).
--i just wanted you to reread your sentence, in case you missed how pretty and nice it is. When I went to school there was no breakfast available and you had to bring your own lunch which made for great trading lessons. The only thing we could get from the school were the half pint cartons of whole milk, yes whole milk. Us boys would take four at a time and had a milk card my parents had to purchase that would be punched. Times were so much more simple and sensible then.
Funny thing is, recent diet research is showing lots of benefits of skipping breakfast entirely, particularly for children. Without breakfast they have better focus and less tendency for hyper activity, i.e., less ADHD symptons. Seems the 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' meme, particularly the high sugar/carb variety - is there any other these days - , is yet another government promoted bad advice like the food pyramid which, ironically, is exactly upside down. Resistance is not futile. Resistance is voltage divided by current.
There are a few different species of Cicadas. Most are annual. They come out every year, and those who survive being eaten breed and lay eggs and die. The eggs hatch, the larvae drop to the ground, burrow down to a tree root, spend the winter and spring sucking on tree sap, and then burrow out in the summer, molt, avoid the birds, breed, etc.
There are, however, some species that suck on that tree sap for 13 or 17 years. There are about 20 different broods of these. By broods I'm talking about a population cohort that covers a certain geographical area. The timing is staggered - while there's usually a brood coming out somewhere in the U.S. every year, a given brood keeps to it's 17-year (or in a few cases 13-year) cycle. It might cover a part of a state, or parts of a few states, or several states. And when they come out, they come out by the billions and they're LOUD. I had an extended outdoor project the last time they came out in my area. I have a lot of trees on my property and I live near a forest preserve. At the height of the day I had to wear earplugs. They can be downright deafening. Last time they came I had storm doors. Since they are everyfreakinwhere when they burst out they would frequently get stuck between door and stormdoor. What a freakin racket that produced! One bug sounds like an entire brass band. Yeesh!
The cicada killer wasps love them. Well, not love exactly. Very impressive looking wasps those cicada killers. But, most importantly, what is the air-speed velocity of an unladen cicada killer wasp? If 13- and 17-year cicadas are in the same area, the broods should hatch together every 221 years.
Euros claim resistance is futile, and it may be for the Europeans. The Muslims think the same thing. AlGoreBull Worming. Explains everything. Sounds like most of the snake-oil and mouse-milk hucksters I've run across. Zachriel sounds like their shills. If they will make predictions, and stand by them, and beat The Old Farmer's Almanac, then I will consider that maybe they know what they are doing. What I'm seeing is BS and cherry picking and not ust massaging but beating the hell out of their data points, and lying about it (see EAU emails). When the the NYDN sign on with OFA? I have worked at Texas A&M since 1984 and this is the first I have heard of the climate change issue.
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