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QUOTE: Hank Campbell: Why beer is healthier than water Nowadays, most people take clean drinking water for granted, but for much of human history, fermentation has been essential to safe drinking, especially when traveling. There's a reason why the Pilgrims stopped in when they did: "We could not now take time for further search or consideration, our victuals being much spent, especially our beer, and it being now the 19th of December" — Mourt's Relation 1622. There's a bar here where women insisted on ordering Coors Light over ice. The bar started calling the drink "Sex in a canoe" because it's f'ing close to water.
QUOTE: Stuart Schneiderman: Are Republicans too polite for politics? Heh. After four years of calling Obama a Kenyan, socialist, Muslim with a fake birth certificate, with the Republican leadership saying their top job was to defeat Obama's reelection, is that really a serious question? Well, let's examine this.
"calling Obama a Kenyan" As far as I know, the only Republicans that brought up this issue were birthers who were largely discredited, Tommy Thompson's son Jason and Mike Huckabee. I'm fairly sure that birthers aren't main stream Republicans, Jason Thompson isn't and Mike Huckabee is a foot note in Republican political history. socialist "We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money." - President Barack Obama, April 4th, 2010, Quincy, IL., Obamacare, billions of wasted government money to favored investors in green energy.... So yeah - his tendency is Socialist. Muslim with a fake birth certificate Other than Donald Trump, hardly a bastion of Republican thought, Mike Huckabee and the usual conspiracy suspects, I don't think any main stream Republican (or minor one that I am aware of - there may be a state legislator or minor official who said something along those lines that I'm not aware of) actually said that. Republican leadership saying their top job was to defeat Obama's reelection What exactly do you suppose elections are about? Defeating your opponent. Romney's job was to defeat Obama, Obama's job was to defeat Romney. That's how the system works. Tom Francis: I'm fairly sure that birthers aren't main stream Republicans
In Feb 2011, a PPP poll found 51% of Republicans thought Obama was born in a foreign country and another 21% weren't sure. No idea where they got that idea. Hard to be more mainstream than being a majority (Birtherism is a proxy, of course.) Tom Francis (quoting): "We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money." Here's the rest of it: "I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service." Tom Francis: What exactly do you suppose elections are about? That's what elections are about. That's not what governing is about. its a legitimate campaign tactic to denounce the Dear Leader a foreign born islam as a way of discrediting his tools in upcoming congressional, state and local elections. the only reason to stop calling that foreign born islam a foreign born islam is if, in any particular election, the result is a net loss of votes.
demoncraps engage in stone cold lies all the time. From Wikipedia, not normally considered a right-leaning source:
"It (PPP) is labeled as a Democratic firm because in its private client work, it conducts polls only for Democratic campaigns and progressive organizations" Fun to cherry-pick the stuff you like, eh? Lots of people, including independents and even some (purported) Democrats thought so, too. I could mention that 32% of Democrats in 2008 though Bush knew about 9/11 in advance if we wanted to go in that direction. Which is more bizarre - that a politician would lie about the circumstances of his birth, or that thousands of people were in on a conspiracy to bring down the Twin Towers? BTW, the long form which supposedly answered everything, is still not a xerox or copy of the 1960 original. It is generated from their records. Nothing wrong with that - that's what my 1997 birth certificate copy is, and my 1958 copy to enter kindergarten was generated from the original record as well. I do have an actual copy of the 1953 document, which is different from both the other two. The generated copies are what many Americans have, actually, and you can't ask for any better. But Obama couldn't just admit that - still can't, because he knows that 60% of the American people wouldn't get it and it would be political suicide. So he went to ridiculing instead. Still does. Apparently, so do you. Note: the rolling of the eyes is not, technically speaking, a logical argument. A basic rule of site commenting: fair or unfair, people who agree with the prevailing sentiment will tend to get a pass, those who disagree will be held to a higher standard of evidence and (gulp) honesty. You're a smart guy, you raise some good points, and I've even agreed with you at times. But you have this ongoing weakness of being willing to be intellectually dishonest. Not flat out lies, but willing to shade and cherry-pick and select, and do it often. If you wish to persuade, you need to raise your game. Unless it's your goal to just show up and piss in the corner from time-to-time. The Democrat talking heads went to a great deal of effort to make "birthers" look like conspiratorial nut cases. But the fact remains there is no birth certificate, the one he presented was a fake, he is using the SS# of a dead man from Connecticut, all of his relatives back in Kenya remember being there at his birth... So who is the crazy one; the one who thinks he may not be an American citizen or the one who in spite of the evidence is afraid to say he may not be an American citizen?
Nope. There is a certificate as good as most Americans have, as above. Not as good as claimed, but accepted for all practical purposes thousands of times a day for other citizens. The SSN is an urban legend. No foundation. And only one relative remembers his being born in Kenya. that's not enough for me, by a long shot.
It was a legitimate question to raise, because politicians have lied about things like this for years. Decades. Centuries. But the explanations - eventually - were good enough. The birth was reported in the local paper that week, just as an example. It's at a level we would accept for any other American to get a job or vote or whatever. There is a certificate! I thought the only long form was the obvious fake they publiched on the White House web site. You knw the one that was proven to have copied numbers and letters from parts of a real birth certificate to paste where they provided the needed data that had been erased. The one with the sequence number that had been stolen from a real birth where the child had died. The one with perhaps 30-40 identified errors created by the forgers. The one that had been fully discredited. But you say there is another one. Where???
The birth was reported in the local paper that week. Indeed at that time it was policy thatthe paper would print notice of a live birth as a matter of fact with no proof required, you could even call it in. Regarding the address given in the newspaper about Obama’s birth gave his mother’s address as: 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Hawaii. But President Obama’s parents, did not live at that address. Why did Obama apply for and receive financial aid to Occidental College as a foriegn student? Why has Obama spent more then $1,000,000 in legal fees to keep any of his records from scrutiny? 1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American when the term wasn't even used at that time? 2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern,except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate". 3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978? Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-442 the very same SSN that Obama used. Ludwig spent the final months of his life in Hawaii , where he died. Conveniently, Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, and therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals. How did Obama travel to Pakistan in 1981? Americans were not allowed to travel to Pakistan in 1981. He could have used a Indonesia passport, but that would mean he was an Indonesian citizen. So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? All of these inconsistencies and lies would be investigated in depth my the MSM if Obama was a Republican. The media seems uninquesitive when it comes to Obama's past. Why?
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I'll note that the birther bit started with some of Hillary's people and that the 'Kenyan' claim was first made the author's bio of the original 'Dreams of My Father'.
SoshSecurity is Safe! say Dems. Statements to the contrary have been met by declarations of wrongness for 30-40 years (or more). Why? Because FDR can't be wrong. Not possible. Even if beginning parameters no longer apply. Even if 'no longer apply' indicates a death spiral.
No Saturday mail: Minorities, Women, Children hurt most! Scarcity/Plenty: Everything is a sign of impending doom--just like AlGorebal Worming. In Defense of Rove
Part of the problem, even if the Illuminati of Conservative Politics don't want to admit it, is the natural tendency to "go with the one that brung 'ya" which would be established so-called "conservative" candidates. The simple truth is that main stream Republicans are not "conservative" by any measure you care to name. It isn't that a candidate has to be "acceptable" or inside the main stream to win an election - I believe that to be a fallacy. Those with "hard line" positions on abortion, as an example, should be defended with all the resources the National Committee can bring to bear - that's what the Democrats do and that is what Republicans should do. If all the "acceptable" candidates accept abortion in limited circumstances, it gives the issue legitimacy and places us that much further into the gray moral morass we find ourselves in now. Angle was a perfectly acceptable conservative candidate - she made a few gaffes but Joe Biden is a gaffe machine and he is now Vice President of the United States. He has the support of his party - Angle didn't. "in defense of Rove" There isn't a defense of Rove on his attack against Mourdock. His attack is against Mourdocks belief that abortion is not a solution to pregnancy from rape. There are many conservatives who believe as Mourdock does but it seems that the rino position is not accepting of the conservative belief. But at the same time there was never a gun control law that Lugar would not vote for or how about the Law of the Sea treaty that Lugar promoted. Are those conservative beliefs? No they aren't, but they are rino beliefs. And thats why Rove can not be defended, he's a rino. That is the difference between republicans and tea party voters, and the ruling elite wants the conservative view eliminated.
Rove May be a Rino but I'm not convinced. McCain is a Rino and leaves no doubt about that fact. And Rove is simply not as bad as McCain. I think what Rove is, is a politician. He wants to win. He knows how to win and sometimes that means dumping the weak candidate or pushing a strong candidate that happens to be a Rino. In my opinion whjat Rove does not understand is that real conservatives would rather have a Democrat stab them in the back then a Republican/Rino. If I lived in McCain's district I would proudly vote for his Democrat challenger. Rove would rather have McCain in spite of his tendency to go over to the dark side because having McCain is a "win" for Republicans. The tea party people are fed up with electing Republicans and having them turn around and vote against us. We would indeed rather lose the seat to a Democrat then elect a back stabbing Rino.
It doesn't matter, anymore. The entrenched are too so. They've won, the big government bastards who care not about anything other than their reelection. I hold them all in disdain.
In a very real sense I think you are right that it doesn't matter anymore the constitution lost and big government won. The turning point may have been in the early 60's or even the early 90's but it happened and I don't see a good place to make a U-turn. The best I can hope for is that this current disaster of high taxes, excessive spending and borrowing, and printing press money goes through the inevitable collapse and it wakes up the sleeping giant (the millions and millions of good people who don't vote or do vote but vote their pocketbook) and we massively elect conservative pro-constitution citizen politicians. A far more likely scenario is that the current crop of professional anti-constitution politicians will flood the country with new citizens looking for "free stuff" and beholden to them the purveyors of "free stuff" along with our home grown "free stuff" addicts and retain power forever. They will convert us to a socialist state where the constitution will be twisted and ignored at will and we will spiral down into a 3rd world country. But just as the global warmist blame severe winter weather and record low temperatures on global warming the leftist politicians will blame the demise of our economy and freedoms on not having enough socialism and will continue inexorably towards full communism where the elite control everything and set 5 year plans to get us out of the latest crisis they created. I do think that the great experiment is over. I think once Lyndon Johnson completed FDR's great works and created a government run system that enslaved a majority of voters into mere serfs that the ending was inevitable. I also think that President Reagan scared the be bejesus out of the left who must have thought they lost the battle for a socialist state. But thankfully moderate Republicans came to the rescue and put the socialist left back in power. And the moderate Republicans did much more, they so harmed the Republican brand that it may never recover. I challenege anyone to go to any inner city school (or any school) and ask two simple questions: 1)Who were the slave owners and the KKK, Democrats or Republicans? 2)Who freed the slaves, Democrats or Republicans? I doubt more then 50% will get the right answer and would not be suprised if less then 20% were correct. The moderate wing of the Republican party has doomed us to be ruled by the radical wing of the Democrat party. Simple as that!
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