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Tuesday, February 5. 2013
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The problem is that the Republicans have failed to notice that rhetoric is not just for please/thank you. Rhetoric as it is managed by the dems is the skill that Republicans must acquire. Of course, they can manage the attack without the lies, but first they have to acknowledge, put on, wear, and practice for the assault--they must get on the offensive about something other than abortion.
I agree w/ Horowitz, but w/ the added caveat that the MSM will rail against this and do everything to drown it out and/or discredit it.
And by "discredit" I do mean lie about it.
The GOP hasn't had a good, effective communicator since Reagan. Seeing the contrast in the results is not hard to understand.
I totally agree - the GOP can't do much if the truth gets covered up, lied about, etc by the MSM. The MSM clearly is on the side of the Democrats and others on the left.
Just look at how Palin's family was treated, look at how Bush's daughters were treated; But, very little was said about Gore' pot smoking son.
The Republicans are constantly swimming upstream in trying to communicate with low information voters. Not all of them are minorities. I would like to see a study of why low income whites in Ohio did not turn out to vote. Romney and his campaign seemed to believe that intelligent arguments, and I heard them, would overcome the demonization that occurred in the early summer. One problem was the late GOP convention, which handicapped Romney's campaign by limiting fund raising and spending. That was poor planning.
Low information voters include academics and most to the populations of Mass, NY, and CA. They aren't all 'low income', many are highly educated people who have never examined their assumptions or what they are told.
David Horowitz: During Obama’s four years in office, African Americans – middle-class African Americans – lost half their net worth as a result of the collapse of the housing market.
If you look at median home prices, the majority of the losses were sustained before Obama became president.
David Horowitz: The fingerprints of Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barney Frank were all over the subprime mortgage crisis. The campaign to remove loan requirements for African American and other minority borrowers started with Jimmy Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act.
Jimmy Carter? Gee whiz.
If you look, home resale values have tended to be stable over long stretches of time, when adjusted for inflation, including from about 1950-2000. There's something fundamentally different about the period after that. Values have since returned to trend, but not before trillions of dollars changed hands.
You are missing the context. What does Obama have to do with things that started decades before..other than being unable to see the negatives the liberal policies have in the real world?
The easing of mortgage standards and their disastrous effects take a long time to show.
It's like smoking..you can go decades before the effects show up, but it IS the smoking that destroyed your lungs.
Dale: The easing of mortgage standards and their disastrous effects take a long time to show.
It's clear that there was something anomalous about the period from 2000-2009.
Dale: What does Obama have to do with things that started decades before..other than being unable to see the negatives the liberal policies have in the real world?
Um, that wasn't Horowitz's claim. He said *during Obama's four years in office*, that would be 2009 to today. That clearly isn't the case, as the housing market lost most of its value before 2009.
The problem is that the Republicans aren't "organized". The Democrats are "organized" very much like the Mafia. If you as a Democrat don't toe the Democrat line then you are pushed out, eliminated. The Republicans tend to be some carear politicians, some citizen politicians, some conservatives, some Libertarians, some Rinos etc. The Democrats are pretty much all leftists, some further left then Mao or Lenin but all leftists. Democrats win office by massive expensive get out the vote campaigns (mostly cheating), buying votes with your tax money and then once in office they deliver the goods to their benefactors as agreed. The Republicans once elected work like individuals agreeing on few things and rarely work together to accomplish really important things. The Republicans get elected by slim majorities made up of the common citizen who is awakened by the raw criminal acts of the Democrats when they are in power. The ONLY way Republicans will take back congress and/or the presidency is after the Democrats have once again ravaged the people, the treasury and probably started a war and a depression too; then Republicans will be elected to fix what the Democrats destroyed. Sadly this time I think we will get the full monty, i.e. another great depression, war, financial collapse, massive inflation, and sufferring on a biblical scale. This mess will not be fixed in my lifetime.
Well, if one accepts Horowitz’s characterization of democrats as secular missionaries, then one should characterize republicans as converts.
A nation, culture and people don’t get to where we are unless those who govern us plan the route. And republican legislators have been riding shotgun for the entire trip.
And how different is Horowitz’s apt “grandeur of the progressive ambition” description from the grandeur of Rove’s ambition to dominate or destroy grassroots organizations like the Tea Party?
And should Rove and his republicans succeed, well what then? Back in the passenger seat for the go along to get along republicans?
Horowitz's advice is sound, but his republicans aren't interested.
In fact we will have no legitimate representatives to the American state till the republican party is dead and gone.
And that's happening right in front of us.
Conservatives need to get over blaming CRA for the housing market. I'm a conservative and don't support CRA but the reality is that the mortgage mortgage bust had nothing to do with redlining. It's obvious when you realize that ground zero of the housing crisis was Florida, Arizona, certain relatively affluent parts of California. Many of these were second homes and people speculating on the rising housing market. It's not like the bubble burst from Harlem and the south side of Chicago. There's no evidence of higher loss or foreclosure rates in homes purchased through CRA, most of these people are actually making their mortgage payments on time. That said, I don't support forcing banks to lend to anybody.
If you need a govt villain, Fannie and Freddie do the job, but I don't see as much vitriol from the right probably because conservative presidents have supported those them. But of course the mortgage guarantee was the engine behind the entire crisis. Subsidize something and get too much of it.