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Tuesday, June 19. 2012
President Vs Pretender
Posted by Bruce Kesler at 19:45 | Comments (17) | Trackback (1)
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One of many such references,
1983 State of the Union: "The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
Gee whiz. Republicans are still running against Carter!
Gee whiz. Republicans are still running against Carter!
The traditional pattern for ex-Presidents has been to sit on the sidelines and , in effect , STFU. More so than any other President-with the possible exception of Bill Clinton- Carter as an ex-President has continually interjected himself into current politics- especially regarding foreign policy. Carter has been a continual irritant with his self-righteous interjections into foreign policy. Considering the many failures in foreign policy during his term in office, Carter's three decades long interjection into foreign policy has only served to charge up the Republican base.
If Crater hadn't been rehashing the 1980 campaign for the last three decades, then perhaps Republicans wouldn't still be running against his many failures. If you don't want to be hit by a pie, then don't put your face as a target at the pie booth at the county fair.
Although he did have some successes, overall Carter was a failure as a President. His publicity hound actions over the last three decades reinforce that failure in most voters' minds.
Zachriel ...Reagan did not spend his entire first term blaming the previous President. That's an Obama trick. I would point out that I was an alive, sentient being while Reagan was President, so I know that you are wrong. As mudbug says above, "substantiate, please." Didactic unsupported statements won't cut it here on Maggies. If you have to, go to your local library where they still have hard copy history books and look it up.
And Zachriel, don't wave your academic degrees in my face. I have them too. My baccalaureate is from Columbia University in 1951, back when it was a pretty good academic institution.
Marianne Matthews: And Zachriel, don't wave your academic degrees in my face.
We would never do such as that. We consider everyone's comments at their face-value.
As usual, leftists like Ztroll cherry pick specific statements out of context and try to make conservatives seem to say something they didn't. Here is the context for Reagan's speech:
"So, let us, in these next 2 years--men and women of both parties, every political shade--concentrate on the long-range, bipartisan responsibilities of government, not the short-range or short-term temptations of partisan politics.
The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted. Unemployment is far too high. Projected Federal spending--if government refuses to tighten its own belt--will also be far too high and could weaken and shorten the economic recovery now underway.
This recovery will bring with it a revival of economic confidence and spending for consumer items and capital goods--the stimulus we need to restart our stalled economic engines. The American people have already stepped up their rate of saving, assuring that the funds needed to modernize our factories and improve our technology will once again flow to business and industry."
Text of full speech is at http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state-of-the-union/196.html
Reagan was not so much blaming his predecessor as noting that the depth of the problem had been somewhat hidden from public scrutiny. His solution was to unleash the economic engines of the private sector. And it worked.
By the way, Clinton still claims credit for a robust economy, but fails to attribute it to his predecessors, Reagan and Bush 43.
ScottJ: Clinton still claims credit for a robust economy, but fails to attribute it to his predecessors, Reagan and Bush 43.
Gore was instrumental in providing the regulatory framework for the Internet, while Clinton's economic team put together an economic bill that not only led to robust growth and low unemployment, but also brought the federal budget into cash balance. That bill was rejected by every single Republican in Congress, and Gore had to cast the deciding vote as president of the Senate. Indeed, if the U.S. had stayed on that fiscal course, it would have tempered the economy, and left the U.S. with substantial monetary resources to respond to any economic shock.
Zachriel, you're so right!!
Not only was Al Gore "instrumental", as you say, in providing regulatory framework for the internet, he took credit for it's creation. And we all thought he was just a "crazed sex-poodle".
Vice-president Al Gore to CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "Late Edition".
March 9, 1999
"I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf: "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development."
#220.127.116.11.1 Zachriel on 2012-06-20 14:35 (Reply)
ScottJ: The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected ...
Fairly or unfairly, that's clearly shifting blame. He made similar comments in his 1982 State of the Union address.
It's not shifting blame unless you follow up the observation that "things were worse than we thought when we took office" with the conclusion "so don't blame us if they're still just as bad, if not worse." When Reagan ran for re-election, he asked people "Are you better of than you were four years ago?" That's a question that Mr. Obama avoids like the plague.
Also, I think you can get away with the occasional reference to your predecessor's shortcomings, but not with making it the cornerstone of every set of remarks that acknowledges the highly unpopular state of affairs. It wasn't really Reagan's style to give a lot of speeches say, "Hey, I know things suck right now and there's no real relief in sight." That was more Carter's style -- though even Carter didn't make it a habit to whine about what a mess Nixon and Ford had left him, and use that as a excuse for why interest rates were never going to be brought under control, we were never going to be able to heat our houses to comfortable levels again, and we were never going to get our hostages back out of Iran. "But . . . but . . . Watergate!"
Looks to me like, if the problem really was your predecessor's terrible policies, life would be pretty easy. All you'd have to do is change those policies and everything would start getting better. Maybe it wouldn't get completely better as fast as you'd like, but there would at least be signs that your new policies were slowly improving things, right?
Instead of making them worse, and leading to the slowest "recovery" ever, and ushering in what looks to be at best a plateau and at worst another downward slide five months before the election. That's why Mr. Obama looks so pathetic and ridiculous trying to win a chance to repeat his first term's failed policies by continuing to harp on his resentment of his predecessor.
This man [Ronald Reagan] did not spend his entire term blaming Jimmy Carter.
Z-Team:Yes he did.
Z-Team: “1983 State of the Union” – which ScottJ points out is cherry picked..
“1982 State of Union address” – without a direct quote.
In the eight years that Reagan was President, the Z-Team can come up with perhaps TWO EXAMPLES. That hardly constitutes “spending his entire term blaming Jimmy Carter.”
There is an old saying: one swallow does not a summer make. An instance or two is not a trend.
Once again, the Z-Team comes up with a lame, ignorant argument, showing why Maggies Farm readers and Bookworm Room readers regard the Z-Team with contempt.
We also pointed to Reagan's 1982 State of the Union, which blamed many of the then-current problems of the U.S. on the previous administration. There's nothing inherently wrong with doing so.
In terms of the economy, the recession was actually engineered as a way to throttle inflation, and the recession ended when the Fed was satisfied they had achieved their goal.
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