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Most people do not have to have ID to buy alcohol, go to the movies, or use a credit card. Most people do not fly or work at the Justice Department. Many people who do not have photo IDs are old people, especially minorities. They do have the right to vote, and it can be difficult for them to provide the necessary documents, such as birth certificates, under some of the new rules.
Considering how rare voter fraud is, and the long history of voter discrimination in the U.S., there should be some sort of process to allow legal voters to vote without encumbering them with unnecessary hurdles.
You register to vote, you are issued a picture ID and you present it at the polls when you vote. How is that "encumbering them with unnecessary hurdles"?
Are you implying it is just to much effort to expect someone to carry their voter ID card to the polls?
What is your solution to the problem that would be easier than a voter ID card?
Sorry. "Some sort of process" doesn't cut it.
The only place I've lived that did not require ID to vote is NYC. It figures.
You should see my podunk MD town - they speak to me in Spanish when I vote. I kindly ask why, and they say its 'a service'. I swear I'm gonna respond in German...
Welcome to Absurdistan....
feeblemind: You register to vote, you are issued a picture ID and you present it at the polls when you vote.
Not quite so easy in many cases. This woman has voted in every election for the last 50 years, not an uncommon problem for the poor and minorities.
Voter fraud rare? Where do you live?
Sorry, chum. You're not chumming the waters here. Go find another site more atune to your flibbergitting.
jma: Voter fraud rare? Where do you live?
The statistics show negligible voter fraud. That doesn't mean a more secure system shouldn't be implemented. However, there are legitimate concerns from the other side, including how some forces in the Republican Party want to use this as a way to increase their political power.
The statistics show negligible voter fraud.
What statistics? Name them, include a link, back that up.
Republican voter fraud?? In my impressionable youth I worked on a voter registration drive in NY and I was disgusted to find out the intention of the drive was to get warm bodies willing to visit the polls on election day, more than once. Democrats.
Hell, I wish the nanby pamby GOP would get their hands dirty in the next election. If the time is every going to come when we need to fight fire with fire, its now.
John the River: What statistics?
The largest source of illegal votes are felons without having their rights restored. However, proper identification would not fix this problem as they are usually registered to vote. Purging the files of felons is problematic. Jeb Bush did this before 2000, and it ended up depriving thousands of mostly minority voters of their right to vote, one of many circumstances that changed the results of that election.
"Update on Hot Teacher"
The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.
"Most people do not have to have ID to buy alcohol"
They do in the USA, where signs which read "we card regardless of age" are often prominently displayed.
"Considering how rare voter fraud is"
Like wrongful executions and imprisonment, one wrongful vote is too many.
RE Hot Teacher....did you actually read about this case? This dude's a harrassing and threatening little dweeb and the issue goes beyond a first Amendment consideration.
Re Voting......not only do I support an ID card but I say you pass a basic understanding of the candidates and the issues before you're allowed to vote. I'd rather see the President elected by 3% of an informed populace than by 73% of the numb nuts who roam our land.
...rather see the President elected by 3% of an informed populace than by 73% of the numb nuts....
That's close to how the founding fathers structured the Constitution. It's only in recent times we've taken the Constitution to mean whatever we momentarily want it to mean, and we're paying the price.
Dose, the article says the assignment was for creative/free-thinking/brainstorming writing on "any topic". Do you think fiction writers believe everything they write?
Yes, he may have specifically thought about her. But she is reacting rather as if he had a rape fantasy. And she is the one in the power position. I note she used that power rather forcefully.
Zachriel ... As usual, you tend to make a number of unsupportable assumptions. It depends on what state you live in whether you need an I.D. card to buy liquor. You need an I.D. card or a driver's license to buy liquor in Virginia, for instance. If you are a naturalized citizen, as Mark Steyn is, you must carry an I.D. card in some states to prove your citizenship. He's quite happy to do so by the way. I think that you are being both mistaken and very patronizing in your comments about the elderly. Speaking as one of them [the elderly] I have had an I.D. card, otherwise known as a driver's license, since I was eighteen. I'm now 83. I don't need you, or any other generalizing person to "give me a pass." I'm happy to present I.D. to exercise my franchise to vote, which I plan to do in November, even if they have to wheel me in on a gurney.
You seem to find it easy to generalize on these subjects, yet you do not present hard evidence that there are, putatively speaking, hundreds of thousands of passive dependent folks who aren't smart enough to get an I.D. card but insist on voting in elections.
I suggest that you stop jumping to conclusions about us, the elderly. Many of us still have our wits about us, have friends who will accompany us to the voting booth, and drive us home again. And believe me, with the parlous condition to which our government has fallen, we're going to make darn sure we vote.
Marianne Matthews: You seem to find it easy to generalize on these subjects, yet you do not present hard evidence that there are, putatively speaking, hundreds of thousands of passive dependent folks who aren't smart enough to get an I.D. card but insist on voting in elections.
Here's statistics from just one state: "In all, 85,000 registered voters in South Carolina are without the kind of ID that would be required under the new law, according to a vetting of the voter rolls by the state's department of motor vehicles."
Zachriel, Marianne tried to let you know in a nice way, but it went straight over your head. So, here it is straight, right or wrong: you come across as a confrontational attention monger, and no mature thinker is going to take you seriously when that is your modus.
No one has to take us this way or that way. Marianne Matthews asked for supporting evidence. There are 85,000 just in South Carolina that don't have the required ID to vote.
The number of photo IDs issued by Georgia to individuals who did not already have one of the forms of ID acceptable under state law is remarkably small, averaging less 0.05 percent in most years, and not even reaching three-tenths of 1 percent in a presidential election year…. This completely contradicts the unsupported claims of voter ID opponents that there are hundreds of thousands of voters in every state who do not have a photo ID or the claims of the Brennan Center that “as many as 11% of United States citizens…do not have government-issued photo IDs.”
Quote from my comment #8 @2012-03-20 14:06.
Gringo: This completely contradicts the unsupported claims of voter ID opponents that there are hundreds of thousands of voters in every state who do not have a photo ID or the claims of the Brennan Center that “as many as 11% of United States citizens…do not have government-issued photo IDs.”
Not sure that it contradicts it, though it might shed some light. Consider this woman in Tennessee, mentioned above. Not only doesn't she have a photo ID, but at the time of the article, she has yet to get one. Notice that she doesn't get counted in your statistic.
Good link: What the Mailman Knows about Ayers and Obama.
With blather added after the link to fool the spam-catcher.
No, it would NOT be hard to get an I.D. If folks can get to a voting booth, they can get to a place to get an I.D. With some common-sense rules, it wouldn't be that hard to prove who they were. I work in a hospital emergency room, and guess what, outside the folks who want to give false billing information, just about everyone else HAS ID on them. Photo ID? Gosh, it just doesn't seem that hard in this day and age to issue something with a picture on it.
The city of St. Louis, where I am, has had fairly huge voter fraud every election. Kansas City does too. Both cities were investigated and fraud found. It's not hard to look up. Large numbers of late voters made it to the St. Louis polls last election to seal a win for Russ Carnahan, Democ-RAT from Missouri. Amazing how quickly all those folks managed to find their way to those voting boths.
To make this a racial issue is also contemptible to no end. If anything, it would harder for rural folks, miles from nowhere in homes in farm areas, to get to a city center where legit voter ID might be obtained. Strangely, those are not the folks bitching about having a problem. But those are the bitter gun-clinger types, and probably go get photo ID just to vote to keep the black man down.
What a LOAD of crap, but no surprise from the most racially divisive Admin in my lifetime. (Fortunately, most folks I know who are self-avowed conservatives, refuse to buy into the hate; they try to live by the colorblind wishes of MLK, and that's in spite of the hate attacks from the likes of the Admin, the Sharptons and Jacksons and J. Wrights and the Derrick Bell wannabees)
For those who claim that Voter ID requirements are nefarious plots to reduce the minority vote, and that there are a large number of eligible voters who lack photo IDs, please consult Lessons from the Voter ID Experience in Georgia.
Contrary to their assertions that there are large numbers of American voters without a government-issued photo ID, Georgia has had to issue a remarkably small number of IDs to individuals who did not already have one. The state’s specific turnout data on racial minorities also shows that the claim that voter ID will “suppress” their vote lacks any foundation in facts……
The number of photo IDs issued by Georgia to individuals who did not already have one of the forms of ID acceptable under state law is remarkably small, averaging less 0.05 percent in most years, and not even reaching three-tenths of 1 percent in a presidential election year…. This completely contradicts the unsupported claims of voter ID opponents that there are hundreds of thousands of voters in every state who do not have a photo ID or the claims of the Brennan Center that “as many as 11% of United States citizens…do not have government-issued photo IDs.”….
Georgia’s experience with minority voters also directly refutes the claims that voter ID laws somehow prevent racial minorities from voting. Keep in mind that Georgia’s photo ID requirement was not in place in the 2004 presidential election or the 2006 mid-term congressional elections. The law was first effective in the 2008 presidential election and the 2010 congressional elections, although Georgia has actually had at least 40 state and federal elections since September 2007 when the law became effective, not including municipal and county elections. More than 15 million votes have been cast in those elections.
In comparing the 2004 vote in Georgia , where Voter ID was not required, and the 2008/vote, where Voter ID was required, the White vote increased by 8%- and the Black vote increased by 42%.
Similarly, in comparing the 2006 vote in Georgia , where Voter ID was not required, and the 20010 vote, where Voter ID was required, the White vote increased by 11.7%- and the Black vote increased by 44.2%.
Voter ID in a state that once discriminated against Black voters has not resulted in a decrease in the Black vote. On the contrary: voter turnout substantially increased.
I am reminded of an ignorant troll at another site and in a previous year who claimed that it was racist to require Voter ID for elections, but that it was only fitting and proper to require a photo ID to enter into a Townhall meeting hosted by the local Congresscritter. After all, you couldn't have people from outside the District attending the meeting! But voting, entirely another matter, according to the troll.
I think we see here, in microcosm, the difference between the Tea Party and the Occupy crowd. And as many other analogies as one would care to make about current political discourse.
One side seeks truth about the existing world, willing and able to deal with it as adults. The other panders, and is enthralled by, delusions of utopianism and all that might entail.
Bill Ayers thought, and still thinks I would bet, nothing of snuffing out 20 or 30 million to reach his goals.
That's the evil of the force we face, and of those who argue for its implementation.
Sorry, I remember who I am. I don't need no stinking ID.