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Wednesday, May 18. 2011People desire new sexual and romantic experiencesBetween Arnold and The French Great Seducer, I am reading plenty of baloney about sex. Things about power as an aphrodisiac, things about "primitive men," that old feminist meme that it's about power and not sex, all sorts of nonsense. Truth is, most people - men and women - have some or much desire for new sexual and/or romantic experiences. Novelty is exciting, flirting is fun, and seduction is exciting as hell. The French understand that side of the story. The other side of the story has to do with consequences: The effects on family life, existing relationships, kids, spiritual life, conscience, financial condition and even legal issues. In other words, the grown-up side of the story. Politicians and the rich and famous have no monopoly on adultery or promiscuity. They are common as dirt among both men and women of all social stations and, unless one tends to form "open" and "Don't ask, don't tell" relationships (which a surprising number of people do these days), they otherwise usually leave a trail of misery, shame, guilt, anger, distrust, and destruction. Everybody knows that, but some people don't worry about consequences very much. They are too much devoted to "What I want to do" and too quickly forget that "Feelings aren't facts," "Character counts," and life is not meant to be free of struggle, conflict, disappointment, and frustration. I advise patients that, if they are determined to have affairs or want to "go out," that they file for divorce first. And oh, I know - things do happen though. Having a trusting relationship with decent communication, commitment, and decent or creative sex is the best prevention but sometimes a few drinks at the hotel bar at a convention far away can undo even the best marriages. One of the saddest things I see in my work are couples, after affairs or "indiscretions." Often, they begin to talk, to open up with each other, to become closer, more honest, and even to become better friends. However, it's too late to salvage the specialness that the relationship might have had. Something innocent dies whether they decide to stay together or not. A few links on the topic: Miss Attila: Power, and Its Privileges Why Powerful Men (Like Arnold) Cheat How to Tell If Your Partner Is Cheating Pic is from the wonderful classic, The Seven Year Itch
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Rape is, indeed, about power. And the charge against DSK is rape.
Wrong, LMA. If it were just about power, it wouldn't involve the genitalia.
That rape-is-about-power thing is an antique political thing. Rape is about sex. Hi Dr. B
Would you say that rape is about power applied through sex? It seems that someone who rapes could just as easily have non-rape sex (certainly the "Great Seducer" could have afforded a call girl - or many call girls for that matter). Then there are the cases when older women who would not normally be considered "the object of male desire". It seems ridiculous to contend that there is no sexual aspect to rape - why the sexual contact? - but it also seems strained to say there is no power or coercion component - or is that what you are saying? I can buy that when it comes to misunderstandings, or certain kinds of date rape. And there is obviously a strong sexual component to all rapes.
But taking a woman by force where there's been no flirtation, no interest shown by her at all, is a power trip. Why do men rape each other in prison? For the sex alone? Please. Yes, I suspect so. Joy, I think you are a little naive about male sexuality.
Well, wow. I've been accused of a lot of things before, but not that . . .
I do think that male sexuality is more connected to aggression than female, because testosterone is a larger part of the hormonal loop therein. But any male over the age of 15 who only wants to get off will have a far better experience flying solo--or engaging in a real seduction--than taking someone by force, and enduring that kind of trauma to the male member. UNLESSS he is establishing dominance or expressing rage at the same time. The exotic position here is conflating rape with an affair. It's an odd perspective, and leaves me--and male friends of mine--unconvinced. Rape in prison is about sex. There is no power component, it happens because they are denied access to what they want (or need) and therefore choose the easiest course to achieve it. Helps to be larger in prison, and not just for sex, but for safety.
Rape in the community is not just about power, either. But there is a component. I've known several women who enjoy the rape fantasy. For them, part of the experience is the roughness of their treatment. Sadly, for some men, if they experience this kind of woman they can be led to believe this is how ALL women like sex. Remember Robert Chambers? The fact is, flirtation and expectation are useful and enjoyable parts of the sexual experience for many or most of us. But not always. There are many ways to enjoy the experience and not everyone finds the arrangement to be suitable if too much work is involved. Men, in particular, are sometimes more inclined to the one night stand because it is (hopefully) quick and painless after the moments of pleasure are finished. Telescope that time frame and trigger a few extra neurons and the one night stand becomes a "just take what you want and move on" mentality. For people like this, the "rape" isn't a rape, it's just how they've come to understand the male/female relationship - one utterly devoid of meaning. In the case of DSK, I'd suspect he's had many women come on to him due to his power and prestige. As a result, he probably thought EVERY woman wanted him, regardless of when or where. And when his impulses struck, I'm sure he's never been short of a willing participant. So, for him, I doubt he viewed it as rape. I think he viewed it as "this is what I get all the time without having to work too hard". Doesn't make it right. But some perspective does explain why he is oddly out of touch.
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power as an aphrodisiac
You mean it was the computer and chess club geeks getting the action and not the jocks? Really? The 'Great Seducer' of France, he with access to the most beautiful, wealthy, sexy, sophisticated, women of the world, tried to nail an african maid sent to clean his room?
And we're seriously having a discussion about sex and power? Rikers Island sex and a baloney sandwich are way too good for this creep. Ai-likum salami, back atcha.
Ba-baloney doesn't measure but Lebanese is another story. Meself knows how to tell me partner it be cheatin'; Me opens the door. I think "The Seven Year Itch" is what one would have got after sex with Marilyn Monroe.
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