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One of my staunchly Conservative brethren at church today (all are my brethren, regardless of their politics) was adamantly opposed to American intervention in a Libyan civil war, or uprising, or whatever the heck it is.
Naturally, we Americans are being labeled "Crusaders." Not an insulting label in my view (because I view the Crusades as an effort to push back against the Moslem invasion and occupation of the Holy Land which closed it off to pilgrims), but I think it's a roll of the dice, maybe too late, partly designed to prove Obama's - or Hillary's - masculine bona fides.
War is always interesting, horror that it is. I do not know whether this all makes sense or not. Latest update: Allied Forces Attack Libya. That article leaves me confused about goals and purposes, but I am not too smart and have never claimed to be.
Now back to yard and farm chores. Spring is coming, and I see the feisty Redwings at my bird-feeder. Lots to get done here to fend off entropy and nature's relentless rebellion against man's efforts to make things his way.
I consider myself to be a conservative with libertarian leanings. I'm in agreement with your friend on the intervention in Libya. The US should stay out of this civil war. I understand the Europeans need the Libyan oil and want to keep their countries from being overrun with refugee, but the US has no stake in this fight and doesn't need to be in the middle of a third war in the Muslim world.
Mr. Biz of Life ... I agree with you and Bird Dog that we should have kept out of this civil war. All of the Mid East will probably get involved in it before we are through and that is a real burden on our country, which we should not have assumed. Due to the procrastination of Mr. Dithers in the White House, we have set out on a path of intervention which will be extremely difficult to get out of. We still have troops in Bosnia, and how long ago was that?
The regular state of the countries in the Mid East is war, not peace. Except for Israel, of course, whose citizens are smarter than everyone else there, much more creative and worthwhile as fellow citizens of the world. Which is precisely why the other countries of the Mid-East hate Israel. Pernicious envy is an ugly thing.
Is anyone else concerned that the President sought approval at the UN but apparently not in Congress?
Also, I think the Rio trip is bad form. Committing our military should never be a blase event. I'm old school. If you commit to fight, you should go all in. This is why Congress should have took up the matter. If they had, I guarantee we wouldn't be in at all.
This all seems to be misguided. Didn't Martin Luther warn that direct confrontation with evil leads to a collapse into evil itself? (Any doubt that Ghadaffi is evil?).
The list of Democrats noted above who have come out against this adventure are sort of a straw man. Most of us that come to this site to read and share have no use for them as politicos (opportunists, gadflys, and morons) but their point shouldn't be completely dismissed.
During a recent trip halfway around the world I had the opportunity read "Legacy of Ashes" The History of the CIA in one sitting. One thing it presented clearly is that we have made an astonishing number of mistakes injecting ourselves in politics around the world. The list is too long to repeat here. Often the blowback takes a generation to manifest itself, but it seems to always show up.
Have no fear about direct confrontation with evil here.
This "police action" in Libya has the US, EU, NATO, and the UN actually support evil.
The "rebels" here are (controlled by) the Muslim Brotherhood, which is Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
I'd venture to declare that those are more evil than Khadaffi ever was or can be expected to become.
So we're supporting (to continue the biblical references) the anti-Christ in his war against Farao.
I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, do you?
Other than our secretary of def. saying we can't afford to get into this debacle, the war powers act of 1973, the permission of the un and arab league and no consultation with our congress, everything obama has touched coming to ruin....what could go wrong?