We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
The separation fence made a huge difference in civilian fatalities. A good example of when a government responds well to the fundamental safety of its citizens.
When I think about the fence and the screening of Arabs who want to enter Israel, it is a hardship. Just as trying to get onto a plane today is for so many people. It is a hardship precipitated by a small number of murderers that affects millions of innocent civilians. Same for trying to get into the US today: if you're an alien, the process is more difficult. (An Israeli friend described his "reception" in US recently. Very unpleasant. Yet, he does not hold it against the Americans.)
It is shortsighted to blame the government for doing somethings that protect its citizens (and adversely affects both foreigners and its citizens (Israeli citizens go through unpleasant, routine checks of car, body, etc... when entering any public hall or private facility).
The other side of this is how really effective this terrorist tactic is: make the lives of millions miserable with relatively little effort and cost.
I was there in 2008, felt perfectly comfortable as long as I didn't wander into a Palestinian-controlled area. AND, Arabs were wandering all over and shopping in "Jewish" Jerusalem, in the pre-'67 Israeli side...I saw no incidents, saw no Arabs being treated any differently than the rest of the shoppers. My daughter is there now, was in a shopping mall a few weeks ago, was playing with a Muslim child, with the child's family right there...no overt hostility, no rancor; in fact, my daughter said the parents were smiling, as she played with the child (they were sitting in a food court-type area), since it helped them have a moment of peace.
What is said is that the morally bankrupt leadership of the Palestinians continues to harm their own people. The terrorists ended up hurting their own people, and the Israelis did what they needed to do;
I COULDN"T BE HAPPIER that the wall is there. It did save lives.
However, I can tell you this...even the 'settlers"hate it, and those on the Green Line hate it...it's a horrible thing, and it's horrible it has to be there. BUT, it was necessary and it worked, and so it will stay until or unless there is a change in the minds of the Palestinians.
"...Upon recognizing that he has time-traveled to the sixth century, Hank [the Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court --ed.] realizes that he is the de facto smartest person on Earth and with his knowledge he should soon be running things."
The great and lovely Liz Clamon and the equally smart tho not so lovely David Asman just completed an interview on Foxbiznews with PM Netanyahu.
Two things stood out, imho --one, he actually had good things to say about the latter day Obama interface w/ Israel --and --if i read his expression rightly --he was not doing diplomacy but rather trying to convey a fact; and two, he went in depth into the financial reforms he achieved while finance minister --the reforms that actually created Israel's current 'little miracle' economy. IOW, the reforms that the USA ought to be looking hard at right now, as they involved the same intractable-seeming fiscal knots.
Anyhoo, the entire interview is (announced Clamon) at the ''Bulls and Bears'' page of the FoxBusiness.com website.
This is the Zionist terrorism
There is no state called Israel. State of thieves called Israel a basis of the displacement and killing of Innocent nation of thieves basis bloodshed and war And the arrest of people for tens of years to prevent him from claiming The right to life . basis steal the land of the Palestinian people And then steal the land of the Arab-Muslim the entire .State of the thieves do not know the law ..... Does not recognize the law of the United Nations, a state that considers itself above the law . the law is the siege of Gaza And the bloodshed and destruction of houses and killing innocent people and occupying the country This is a country named Israel thieves.This is the Zionist terrorism