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Sunday, February 14. 2010Campus Intifada: Where are the adults?The Martin Solomon posted a video of the action. More details at Solomon’s post. Oren conducted himself with dignity in not backing down from free speech. This key question: “Where are the grownups in the UC Irvine administration?” The usual suspects defend the protestors as somehow engaged in rightful “civil disobedience.” Max Boot, a graduate of "Berzerkley", wrote at Contentions, of this and similar campus attacks, “Anything short of expulsion, or at least suspension, would seem to be a wrist-slap that will only encourage more such misconduct in the future and make a mockery of the free speech that universities are supposed to champion.” The San Diego Union-Tribune editorial read: “It was an embarrassing display of inhospitality [at By contrast, Ambassador Oren appeared at the
Though the Q&A was dominated by pro-Palestinian students, “Ambassador Oren responded to each question with the knowledge of the accomplished historian that he is and with the wisdom of a true diplomat.” The audience and the subject were treated with respect and benefited from civil discourse. University administrators or others who are willing to forfeit that freedom of speech and minimal manners themselves do not belong on campus.
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I watched the video. I have mixed feelings about what I saw.
First, as an American, I resent seeing the flag of Israel (or any other nation) flown on a par with the flag of my country, in my country. Next, I saw nothing so terrible as to warrant any arrest. I have no love for Arabs or Muslims but have no love for rabid Zionists either. The disproportionate level of support of the State if Israel by the U.S. Government is part of the problem. We have sown the seeds of discontent and we continue to reap the harvest. What recourse do the Palestinians have against a military funded and backed by the might of the U.S. government? Seems to me they are a people who have their backs to the wall and when a people are desperate they will do desperate things....I am not justifying terrorism of certain elements of the Palestinian State. Neither do I justify the actions of terror inflicted by the Israelis government. I am in my 50's and have known nothing but bloodshed and war between these 2 factions of the same people, Semites (descendants of Shem). All of it has been made possible by the help of the government of the United States. Without our military support and machinery it would not be possible. Israeli Zionists have mastered the art of playing victim. Yet they continue to victimize and brutalize a people who feel the have no homeland. If Zionists are entitled to a homeland are not Palestinians? ...and if the Zionists feel they are owed a "promised land" then I suggest they take it up with their creator. Not the American taxpayer! Perhaps a history lesson would be in order for the bigotry offered by Kevin.
1. Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were offered the opportunity to have separate countries. 2. The Jews accepted while the Arabs were removed by their fellow Arabs countries so they could "push the Jews into the sea". 3. Only one country in the Middle East accepts Palestinian Arabs as citizens, Israel. No Arabic country accepts Palestinian Arabs as citizens. 4. The USA provides more total financial support to Arabs in the surrounding nations including Palestinians than to Israel. Just a few notes from history. BTW, I am in my 50's and have worked in several Middle Eastern countries. palestina was active during the second world war by hunting innocent jewish people, civilians. islamists are the 21st century cancer and Sarkozy has said that it has to be "our way or no way". I am in my 50's too and lived under bloody communists. These idiots believe stupid people should lead the world and qualified and well educated people should be their slaves. Are you ready to get this?
In support please see the below history document: http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/mohammedism/mohammedism22.html It seems that Kevin could benefit from one of Ambassador Oren’s lectures. Or, at the very least, a history lesson on the "Palestinians" and the state of Israel. There was absolutely no violation of protocol in the presentation of the American and Israeli flags, and unlike the flags of so many Arab countries, I am proud to have my flag presented alongside the flag of a sister democracy.
If the Palestinians are suffering, it is not at the hands of the Israelis who seek only to live in peace. As for the Palestinians having "recourse against a military funded and backed by the might of the U.S. government", to what end? So that they can accomplish their stated goal of the complete destruction of Israel? Unlike most of the Arab countries, Israel and the United States share the same political and moral values. The belief that people have a right to live in freedom and with dignity. That is what we support when we support the state of Israel, not some imaginary Zionist plot. And, no, I am not Jewish, though if I were I'd have reason to be very proud of it. Kevin, I suggest you read The Arabs of Palestine from the Atlantic Monthly (1961), authored by an ex-wife of Hemingway.
I knew a Palestinian Christian, now deceased, whose father had told his children to get out of the West Bank. This was in the days that Jordan controlled it. The father informed his children that from his experience as a civil servant, he knew that Muslims would always promote Muslims over Christians. Ironically, one of the grandsons ignores what Muslims does to his own relatives and has devoted much time to denouncing- you got it- the Joos. I was once at a lecture given at the University of Washington by a visiting lecturer who was an expert in the field of "education". His next speech was to be given across town at the Methodist University (Seattle Pacific). The students at the University of Washington shouted, screamed, and cursed the man (non-minority, white guy). They were not cursing him because he was Jewish--nope they were screaming out of their minds because he planned to give the same speech at a "Christian" University! It was bizarre, but none of the faculty present at the UW lecture made any effort to stop the near riot. The words used to vilify the speaker were the most hateful imaginable. Why? FOR NO OTHER REASON than he planned to speak at a "Christian" University. That is how anti Christ the UW campus is, and how anti Christ the teaching there has become!
Amb. Oren spoke on KGO radio in the Bay Area a day or two after the incidents in Southern California. He politely and even-handedly answered every disparaging question from the lefty know-it-alls that inhabit this part of the state. I consider THEM invaders since my family has resided in California for over 150 years.
I found Mr. Oren very knowledgeable and shockingly calm given the vitriol (mis)directed his way. I wish to say I'm shocked by the shout-down and UCI but then again UC Berkeley has perfected those techniques and all others have followed suit. Discourse is only permitted when you arguing for who's more left. It's not permitted for dissent or another point of view. |
Hopefully this will wake a few more people up to the fifth column reality that is the Council on American Islamic Relations (and the National Lawyers Guild). After what we saw at UC Irvine, this email is both disgusting...and illuminating...
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