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Saturday, December 12. 2009Global Warming AgnosticismI’ve stayed away from the subject of global warming before. The primary reason is that I’m somewhat of an agnostic. It is in defense of reasonable agnosticism, or the scientific method, that I finally speak. A thinking person will see the subject as so vast and so ultimately unknowable or predictable and the costs of global warming advocates’ proposed actions so apparently unsettling – even disastrous -- to human progress as we know it (particularly in the West where technology’s benefits are manifest compared to any prior or current alternative) that a thinking person cannot blithely go forth with global warming warnings. Yet the possible (versus what advocates say is probable) consequences of rejection are presented as so dire that I hesitate at taking a position that may doom us to climate purgatory or worse. That’s why the scientific method, the thinking person’s agnosticism, is most needed. A hypothesis is disproven by failure to predict, replicate, and be simpler than alternatives. The scientific bases of global warming advocates’ forecasts is now largely exposed as severely lacking in scientific rigor and reeking of manipulative deception. Global warming advocates’ “proofs” are invented vapors. But, this is not per se a definitive disproof of the hypothesis. It is a clarion call for any of the hypothesis’ advocates who have any integrity or deserve repute to come clean and propose new, transparent, tested and testable scientific work. Otherwise, and until, none of their severe remedies can be tolerated. At the same time, it is a repeat lesson in exposure of the destructive consequences of the past 100+ years of anti-modernist, anti-Western utopianism pursued by leftists who seek power over the rest of us. Their prior “gods” – socialism, communism, fascism, for example – failed in every way. Their fears of an inability to compete, and their seeking of power and position, impels them to new utopian schemes that again reek of self-aggrandizement, now with global warming mania, regardless of the prices and burdens imposed on the masses yearning for improved living conditions and more freedoms of choice. This, as usual, fits neatly with the self-preserving enrichment and entrenchment of faux populists in the underdeveloped countries. We do know that reasonable emission controls on engines, smokestacks and chemical discharges are beneficial to the quality of life we require in the We, also, know that domestic substitutes for producing energy – whether wind or geothermal or shale or nuclear, along with conservation efficiencies -- are preferable to imports of oil that fund foes and deplete our wealth. As with more honest scientists, we need more honest politicians. They must be willing to take strong stands, lead, and persuade based on the highest empiricism – instead of sneakily impose -- in pursuit of reasonable environmental and self-sufficiency goals rather than in pursuit of personal profiteering and election contributions. Otherwise, as with those who fail to live up to scientific standards, politicians who fail to live up to democracy’s standards should be rejected. The established measures are clear.
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Only agnostic after the things the true believers said? They talk stupid and crazy. First, they call CO2 a greenhouse gas. Well, a greenhouse works by preventing convection. Gasses don't prevent convection. They claim CO2 traps heat. I have a CO2 fire extinguisher in my kitchen and if it trapped heat it would become hotter and hotter. CO2 does not trap heat. They claim to be able to foretell the future and control the forces of nature. People who claim that need a psychiatric evaluation.
Ray,
Actually, if you've ever sat in a room full of people on a cold day, with the doors shut....then you'd experience "global warming on a small scale". CO2 DOES trap heat. Your fire extinguisher extinguishes FIRE because FIRE requires O2 - while CO2 will suffocate the fire. You are confusing heat with fire. While fire does heat, heat doesn't necessarily need fire to be produced. Do you think that room full of people mite be heated up by all those bodies at 98.6 degrees?
Bruce I find myself agreeing with much of what you wrote here. I have this sense that there is too much massaging of the facts going on to act on the information we are being given. I have never heard the IPCC or CRU guys acknowledge that the Antarctic ice sheet is growing and only the western side has a melt issue. In fact the east side is four times the size of the west. I am left feeling like they are cherry picking what they tell us. Your call to a return to ethics is pivotal to any progress being accomplished.
Could some one smarter than me explain the Sulfur Dioxide effect. As I understand it-it has the effect of cooling the environment where CO2 heats it(debatable). Would that mean dirty coal is better than clean coal? Here is a good article that speaks to the situation we are in about the people giving us this date. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/climategates-not-evil-its-just-unhinged/article1396256/ I assume that you are talking about the release of large amounts of sulphur dioxide in the higher atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays back into space thus reducing the effect of CO2 that "causes" AGW.
It's akin to the mini-space mirrors located halfway between the sun and Earth to reflect light away and other such schemes. Bruce,
As with Idaho Brian, I feel a resonance with your words as well. While this is not an original thought, I believe this is not about the science of weather but a distraction from the real agenda. The "boiler room boys" have, I believe' a far more sinister path for us and this scrimmage is only time consuming and meant to keep us occupied and distracted. Conspiracy theory? Maybe. You tell me. I, too, am a bit of an agnostic regarding AGW. However, in light of the lack of scientific PROOF, I will plump for the side that makes the most sense - that of economic benefit.
It is NOT economically beneficial to pursue the goals of Kyoto or Copenhagen. Thus, for the time being, AGW must be set aside until more proof is available. That said, should we ignore alternative energy? Absolutely not! But certainly not because it's beneficial to the AGW cause, but because it is economically prudent to offer alternatives to oil and gas driven energy systems. Free enterprise and the market thrive when substitution effects rule. Currently, with autos and home heating and electric, those substitution effects are negligible. If someone stepped up and made this argument, pursuing an INTELLIGENT market based tax/subsidy program for alternatives, then I'd jump aboard in a flash. In the meantime, the economic redistributionists will use AGW as the means by which they scare people to approve their socialist plans, which won't promote an economically viable alternative, but will alter how the rich nations (and people) pay for their energy. Ed Begley is lucky. He is wealthy and can afford to do his show on energy efficiency, which the average person cannot. I have looked into all alternatives. The payback schedules are non-existent in the Northeast. On the other hand, I think it's wise to offer commercial tax breaks to firms which have large warehouses with flat roofs. These breaks would be offered ONLY if they install wind or solar heat/electric capabilities. I flew into St. Croix, and found that they have many flat roofed buildings, on an island that has 300+ days of sun, and no solar initiative. Yet they are exporting oil (and using it) like mad. In addition, they have tradewinds which would produce significant amounts of wind power. It is possible for small islands like this to be net exporters of power (even if its just all their oil). How can we get this to happen? Cut off their subsidies. St. Croix takes tax money from the US...we subsidize them to a large degree. An alternative energy initiative there would provide jobs, and reduce their reliance on US tax dollars. To some degree, there are ways to make this work in North America, too. But in light of Climatgate, I am more or less convinced that AGW is a farce. I've never been sold on the concept for one reason: the melting glaciers. Not once have I seen temperature changes in the areas where glaciers are melting. Well, that's not true - I've seen them for Kiliminjaro. What's odd is this - on Kilimanjaro, the temperatures are still below FREEZING! So, the melt MUST be due to other reasons. Wind, for example, or increased impact of light on the ice. Another possibility is the reduced rain/snowfall on the mountain itself, meaning the average ice shed hasn't changed, but the replenishment has. Some point to Greenland. However I always remind them that Greenland was GREEN when Eric the Red arrived there. In the last 1,000 years, that changed, and is now changing back. So what? In addition, magmic activity under Greenland has been increasing and the ground temperature rising. I don't see how either of these things are necessarily the result of AGW. Either way, the real "evidence" of AGW is only a .2 degree increase in average global temperature every 10 years for the last 100 years. This is determined primarily using proxy sources, which Climategate have shown to be unreliable. So, agnostic I remain, willing to alter my view if real evidence is put forth (and not just rising temperatures, because correlation is not causation). I understand you're trying to be fair -- but if you can only prove your point if you mess up the data, doesn't that sort of prove that warming isn't really there? If you can only show warming if you inflate recent values... that means there really isn't any warming. It isn't an analog conclusion, it either is or isn't. And I'd say that this really does prove it isn't, because otherwise they wouldn't need to "adjust" all the data.
Messing with the data doesn't mean nothing is there. It just means they don't know how to get what they need out of it.
I've never been agnostic because I've worked around model builders, model-building meaning you don't know or can't solve the real equations so you pull equations out of your ass.
This is a management career track, as it's called. The regular physicists who are just curious about physics putter around with considerably smaller projects that are actually within the reach of a solution. If anything they will sabotage their management career tracks to remain among the real people, say by dressing inappropriately for contract work. If you want an example of geophysical physics of the latter sort, I remember a paper in the 70s wondering where long wavelength ocean waves come from. The wind preferentially excites short waves over long waves, yet you wind up with long waves. The paper proposed that it was by maser action; short waves broke preferentially at the tops of long waves, and gave up their energy at exactly the right place to amplify the long waves. That would be the scale of actual physics as applied to the earth's natural goings on. It's interesting and clever. Model building is complete crap, sciencewise. Models grow in the direction of funding. Other models die off. It's evolution in action. Taking steps - spending unimaginable amounts of money - to fight climate change must mean that our current climate conditions are somehow optimal, and that extraordinary measures should be taken to maintain the status quo. What, then, is the science behind that proposition? And do the people of Greenland concur? How about the Sahara?
Iowahawk has chimed on on Global warming it is very good
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/12/fables-of-the-reconstruction.html#more Temperatures have been rising, on a century-long basis, though fluctuating on a three-decade basis, since the Seventeenth Century.
Then came the IPCC. It was founded to investigate human influence on climate. Which is OK, as there is almost certainly that at least for "micro" climate (think Texas size or so). But the IPCC's emphasis on human interference too often attracted those who beleive that humans must change, slow down, retreat, etc. And the squeakier the wheel the more grease is applied. With the best of intentions, things quite apparently got out of control - to the point that by 2001 the IPCC was reporting not only that there was Anthropogenic warming, indeed not merely stating it to be an important factor, but that it was - and would continue - overwhelming any other influences. This was after a couple of decades as THE "international climate" group, wielding ever-increasing influence. But non-anthro influences stopped cooperating. That 2001 report predicted a continued temp rise - after all, it was certain CO2 would rise. But temps flattened. The first response was that those pesky influences were indeed to blame (huh?), but temporary - as in ten to forty years of the 100-year prediction. Even if only for twenty years, should we base the Global economy on predictions admittedly twenty percent out of whack? More recently, an [or another] attempt at deflection - this past decade was warmer than any of the Twentieth Century. Uhm yeah, it would be if it reached a high in say 1998 and then steadied or even declined a bit. I do think CO2 output should be slowed/decreased. Some - not as much as proposed. Yeah, plants need it and many thrive in much higher concentrations - but do animals? What is interesting is the impact of high levels of O2 on the earth.
When there was a larger amount of O2 in the air, certain animals thrived and were quite large. It's been determined that the huge dragonflies which existed years ago could not live today because of the high CO2 levels. They would not be able to fly, let alone breathe. Other animals thrived, as well. In fact, it is believed that the animals and other living items from this era have become the oil which we use today. Interestingly, the world temperatures were not significantly lower - in fact the world was relatively moist and warm. But if the CO2 warmists are to be believed, then it should have been significantly cooler. CO2 levels have been higher at other points in time in the world's history, but they have not been correlated to higher temperatures in a meaningful way (unless you goose the numbers like the warmists did). This is mainly because the proxy items used to "link" CO2 with temperature have diverged many times over the years (particularly in recent years). This has caused quite a bit of consternation for the climatologists who consider these divergences "anomalies". They are not. There simply is no proof that we have had an impact. Where are the hurricanes Al Gore promised us? Where are the massive storms? If anything, it's been freaking colder. I was just in LA. 37 degrees when I arrived. It didn't break 60 all week. It was MUCH colder back here in NYC. However, it is also fair to say that SOME of the information the warmists are sharing with us is good. We need to pay attention to some of it. But not all, not even most. Sadly, they will not even budge this much when considering skeptics who have provided reams of data refuting them. We have to keep this in perspective. The history of science is one of consensus - most of the time wrong. The number of issues that were "science fact" were all eventually proven wrong by mavericks, some civilians, who became curious and looked further.
This is what is happening here. The science was "settled" because it was consensus driven. Now, the consensus builders are starting to understand that they were had and the mavericks like McIntyre are doing the real science that will give us the answers we need to move forward. Besides, CO2 isn't the issue anyway - it's nitrogen. :>) Which, by the way, is an acutal crisis in more ways than one. Everyman ... You make a point, but you don't follow it out. Everyone who is born [and we all have been] thinks that the climate in which they were born is the 'way things ought to be forever.' They are not necessarily aware that this is what they think -- it's a kind of unconscious assumption that underlies their conscious thoughts. They want things to stay the same so that they will be immortal.
As for CO2, I keep having to tell you guys that CO2 is not a pollutant, in spite of what the poorly educated scientists and the EPA say. Most of them are just power/grant money grabbers anyway. CO2 is an essential gas, like oxygen, and all land mammals make it as well as use it. You make it, every time you breathe out. Animals make it too. And it is an essential fertilizer for all trees and plants. You need to stop buying in to the 'big con' and thinking of it as a pollutant. It's important and it's essential and, most important of all, increased CO2 follows global warming, not precedes it, sometimes by fifty or a hundred years. Don't you remember why you take green plants to friends who are hospitalized? The plants absorb the excess CO2 in the patient's hospital room and increase the available oxygen. Bruce ... I like your essay very much, even though I don't totally agree with it. But the point you make, *cui bono*, is one which we should always ask ourselves. Who benefits if we succumb to panic and beggar our economy to presumably save ourselves? If we protect our free enterprise system, and don't buy into these ruinously expensive "solutions" the liberals are offering, we will have funds to continue our research and find out what are really the complex, interconnected engines which drive our planet. Then, eighty or so years in the future, we will not be a bankrupt, third-world nation and willhave the funds and the brain-power to protect our country and keep it great. Marianne Your invitation to the believers in anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is that they "...propose new, transparent, tested and testable scientific work." There are two problems with this.
First, you invite advocacy of a concept, rather than ask for discovery of truth. "Make the best case you can for cannibalism." (OK, bad example.) If a scientist suspects that X causes Y, his real task is to find evidence that disputes his hypothesis: look for reasons why you are wrong. (Taleb, The Black Swan) Otherwise you risk arguing for an explanation that is basically flawed. Second, in climatology, little is "tested and testable." It's an observational science. We humans know we love to ascribe causes, and we know that observation can seldom prove scientifically that X really does cause Y. A philsophy prof of mine years ago explained why the scientific method, with all its control groups and statistical analyses, remains logically invalid. He and Hume were right, but that does not make science totally futile -- it urges caution on the researchers. IMHO the real problem with AGW is the ideological component. While Lindzen and Choi measure climate sensitivity and show that it does not favor the AGW thesis, others cite bad data that have been stitched together in advocacy of a political/economic policy. A warmer said to me that he knows AGW is a fact because he can feel it in his bones; I suspect that is true of the folks who tried to pass off the hockey stick graphs, wiped out evidence of the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age, cherry-picked the Siberian tree rings, and said those melting glaciers -- local phenomena -- were examples of firmly established global trends. Ideology. Science is supposed to search for truth. That's not easy if you want to be honest, but can't conduct experiments. It is, however, easy to validate ideological positions by using computers to model events -- and it's doubly easy if your computer code is a mess, as is the case at UEA-CRU. The result is the crafting of fairy tales. Fairy tails with extraordinarily expensive political prescriptions.
Some of this 'scientific' inquiry should be focused on cause/effects cost/benefit of a warming/cooling planet and ways to manage these effects versus the quixotic mission to change the course of weather itself. The idea that we can change weather is hubris of the most extreme. Silly Godless people with unbounded ego. We've forgot the timeless truths of the story of the Tower of Babel. Rick said "CO2 DOES trap heat."
I can tell you never had a course in thermodynamics. The laws of thermodynamics preclude "trapping heat". In thermodynamics heat has a very specific meaning being the amount of thermal energy driven across a boundary by a temperature difference. You can't trap heat. I am baffled by the rest of Rick's reply since I never mentioned fire. Btw, I had two courses in thermo, one taught by the physics dept, all theory, and the other by the mechanical engineering dept, all about the machinery. The AGW true believers are woefully ignorant of thermo, or any science and that's why I laugh at them. I may have this a bit scrambled, and it is incomplete, but here is a look at the way the AGW argument has changed -- I hate to say "evolved" -- over time. Stages:
1. CO2 is the villain in Global Warming. Scientific consensus. 2. CO2 is just one gas we have to worry about, but it participates in runaway GW. Climate skeptics are Deniers, like Holocaust Deniers, and should be silenced/penalized. They are paid by Big Oil to lie. Computer modeling is a reliable way to predict. 3. Ignore proof that Hockey Stick # 1 is a hoax. 4. It's not GW any more, it's Climate Change, and we don't talk much about CO2 so much. Produce Hockey Stick #2. 5. The Univ East Anglia-CRU documents were stolen, and that matters, somehow; nothing to see here, move on. OK, messages look bad, but indicate nothing of importance, are just candid chatter between scientists. Ignore really, really damning revelations of lousy computer code. 6. GW is the result of pollution -- you know, like smog in Los Angeles. CO2 is a pollutant. 7. It's all about nitrogen, with CO2 as a player. Somebody please take this skeleton and flesh it out, and tell us where you put it. |