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Sunday, September 20. 2009
"Ask yourself as you start your day, "Are you incorporating God into your plan?".
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I incorporate the dog into the day's plan, and get incorporated into the dog's plan.
God I don't give a thought.
I really, truly do not wish to sound as cynical as I often come across, but statements like this that suggest the ability to conceptualy grasp some understanding of the creator of the 15 billion (or whatever) year (whatever that means) old universe, something so indescribably infinite in nature, so beyond anyone's comprehension that the use of redundant synonyms used to describe it's vastness still fall short of the ability to begin to describe it, let alone understand it, seems to me analogous to blasphemy. Really, what is the point of this question? One could easily argue that following one's own urges and desires is part of God's plan. It's vacuousness masquerading as profundity.
Or perhaps I feel this way because I don't have a dog. Why isn't the animal shelter open on Sundays?
"God's plan". My question would be who is so presumptuous as to think they might know what is God's plan, assuming that God has a plan.
I do share space with a cat, though.
Trying to explain blue to a blind man. Guilty as charged.
More like a blind man with anosognosia trying to explain blue to another blind man exhibiting depressive realism.
KRW, you have shown your bona fides to the club intellectual. I applaud your vocabulary. It was spiritual anopsia that the post was speaking to. Why does the new atheism feel the need to reflect the zeal of the bible thumpers they so hate?
What are 'new atheists', and shouldn't they be called neo-atheists? Christians who don't hate atheists = Neo-Christians?
Can someone tell me what God's plan is?
What is "anopsia"? I tried two dictionaries... nothing.
Oh. As in one must have a blind eye to turn towards the spiritual?
Can someone tell me what God's plan is?
I suppose the answer would depend whose God you ask.
Here's one, http://www.venganza.org/
The number one misbelief on the planet: That there can be more than one god.
I didn't make that up. Marilyn vos Savant said it in answer to a question.
Yeah, but I think she may have been speaking in the context of one universe, or possibly one universe vector. Seems reasonable that each universe continuum could have its own God. Of course an infinite stack of turtles would rule over all Gods of the various universes.
Does God still make covenants? He'd be outlawyered today.
The Universe is marvelous enough to convince me of Prime Cause which I call God. The Earth has enough delight in it to convince me that God is loving. Past that, things get tough very fast.
Since I know I don't know the big plan, I just have to do my best in my corner. That "best" is to cheerfully share my abilities with those around me, to profit by those people sharing their abilities with me, and to act with as much kindness and generosity as I can muster. Through all this, to enjoy the taste of food, the scent of the wind, the humor of those I share my life with, the love of my family.
If that's God's plan, I would be glad to see a copy of the memo. If that isn't God's plan, I'd like to see that memo too. And please understand that if the memo is the Bible, the Koran, or the writings of the Buddha, the memo is darned confusing.
Good one, KRW.
If God is so loving, why won't he let Jews into heaven?
Also, if he's so loving, why does he allow the Priests of Pride put the fear of God into their flocks?
I'm talking about the ONLY God, of course: The Christian God. The one and only. By God.
But as I understand it, some Jews don't believe in heaven...or hell. Would this mean they would still have to go?
I could be wrong. I grew up among many Jews but since moving from S. FL I get most of my Jewish theology from South Park. And from my non-South Park observations, fear isn't the only thing priests like to put into their flocks.
"But as I understand it, some Jews don't believe in heaven...or hell."
They gave up when Christians told them "only through Christ". They just say they don't believe in heaven to save face as they are vastly outnumbered by The True Believers. (It's a human nature thing sort of like when I say I don't like cake because I didn't get invited to the birthday party.)
Howdy Meta and KRW
Meta and I have traded this general idea before. I believe in one God, but I am not a Bibilical fundamentalist by any stretch. I think there are a lot of problems in the Scriptures of every religion I know about. Even when the Scriptures seem okay, I've seen organized religion used to exact obedience to the Priests of Pride, as Meta put it.
I've also seen and heard Christians of great heart, devoted to the well-being of those around them, paying heed to their humanity instead of their skin color, the language they speak, or the figures on their altars.
I know there are Christians who believe that Jews are condemned to Hell, along with Hindus and Moslems and a whole pack of folks, one of whom would be me. So obviously I prefer the model that says God's love embraces all.
I have a work-around, myself. My sweetheart is a saint (some say just for putting up with me) and she's only going to be happy in Heaven if I'm there. So I'll get a free pass.
Not to disappoint you there Geoff, but there's no marriage in heaven. At least not according to what I read (IIRC) in Mark somewheres. Of course that may not preclude you from having more than one sweetheart. Or not. I don't think Mark (or whoever) was clear on that point.
That does open a whole can of worms on the standard perception of a 1:0 nature of heaven:hell. At some point some very good people will be in eternal torment when seeing those that they love condemned to the eternal burning lake of fire. Would that not put them in an emotional hell even while they are in heaven? If not, what does love really mean?
I meant my remark to be humorous rather than theological. I don't know why we live on earth at all, but I am sure it is not to spend eternity in torment. I believe God is going to bring all of us to Him. What that means -- heh, I have no good idea. We may have no memory of earth itself or who we loved here. Or we may finally know all of the love we shared on earth in all its glory. I have outgrown the heaven where I have all the things I wanted and didn't get on earth.
If God is all good and powerful,how can he let the abuse of a baby happen?
You have a valid point, one addressed at great length in a YouTube called "Why doesn't God cure amputees?"
I don't know. I really don't. I have read of child abuse cases and other cruel actions that turned my stomach much worse than anthing I ever had to do in health care. Cruelty stems from human decisions and human actions, so all I can offer feebly is that the option of choosing kindness means the option of choosing cruelty. I don't know why we have the options, but we do.
The balance of human goodness seems to me to be stronger than human foolishness and wickedness. I also don't understand how God permits leukemia and electric shocks. It leaves problems in my faith.
I think God's plan is for us to grow emotionally and spiritually,and to grow to the point where we( as his children) become less dependent on him, if that is ever possible.
Faith in ourselves, faith in seeking out the truth, and faith in God. Knowing that the road we take to find Him is ours to choose.
"...and to grow to the point where we( as his children) become less dependent on him,..."
Dependent on him for what?
Faith in ourselves... That is so important. That might be why I find the use of fear in religion to be so abominable. It doesn't do much for the 'self'.
That's for you to decide.
What's with everyone high lighting a sentence, then answering it or asking a question? Instead of just asking or answering it. I don't get that at all. Stay away from those powdered doughnuts, or you'll be a size 6.