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Sunday, August 7. 2011
Read the whole thing (link above). Voegli captures one of those things that bugs the heck out of me. But I am "mentally retarded," so I guess my view doesn't count. We aren't opposed to "higher ed." However, we believe in common sense, and we believe that the intelligent will and do educate themselves, and that the foolish will remain foolish with their degrees. Especially nowadays, with our degraded standards and expectations (examples - it is possible to graduate from college in the US today without ever taking any calculus, physics, statistics, economics, or American History).
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Can't comment as am heading to sportsman's show. Will later if able. This fires me up.
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Sheesh. BD, Shoulda broken that exegesis of what's wrong with our stupid country into five posts. By the time I got to the end, I hated the author for everything and ditched my list of griping points.
Oh man, these dissertations of too-much-information just piss a person off. When you can agree with two lines in one paragraph only to have them despoiled by some kind of opinionated point, you know the writer has lost sight of his point.
I'll come back to it because his notion of human progress begs some talk. Off for some Prozac .... I feel as if I just went mountain climbing. :)
Bird Dog, you went to Ivy Community College too?? Cool, what year? I don't remember seeing ya around campus.
For one, an Associate Degree in Lesbian Studies, 1999. Also, Diplomate of MD (Multicultural Deconstruction), 2001. Finally, MS in Mart History (7-11 Specialty, with a Porn Minor and dissertation on Dunkin Donuts), 2003.
All I can say, regarding your comments alone, is brilliant, Mr. BD!
Some good, some not: B+ or perhaps A- if anyone still marks that way.
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OFF TOPIC NIT PICK
"...you can't shine sh-t."
I guess you missed that week's Mythbusters. Mostly true but there are exceptions - a couple turned out something at least as good as their solid-metal standard for comparison.
BD, I agree with Big__Al. "we believe in common sense" Are you referring to us here at the farm? Because here in America , common sense is not so common. Take for example the baby lady, and the monkey lady. I don't know which one freaks me out more. See you in a padded cell. You big retard. : )
Jappy, You forgot one: ALFIE.
Whats it all about, alfie?
Is it just for the moment we live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, alfie?
Are we meant to take more than we give
Why does my girlfriend have boobs bigger'n my head?
What's this squirmy thing wigglin' on her bed?
Is it mine the tabloids demand with a snicker in their eye
They must think my pecker is the size of a fly....
Ohhh, What's it all about AlllFeeeeeeeie?
Girls rule the world... that's what I know at nine..
I gave her all I had in my pants...it was so fine
And for sure we'll take more from the state than we give
Long as we both shall live- with that wiggly thing on the bed.
Your Majesty I mentioned Sir Alfie to Luther last nite. He would make a great mate for that hot Mexican/Spanish valley babe.
I'm going to watch It's A Mad, Mad World tonite . The original version with Milton Berle, Buddy Hackett, Spenser Tracy. My all time favorite! This usually calms me down.
I'm keeping the body armor, it's getting crazy out here. : )
Jappy! WARNING: Don't wear my body armor. It'll smash your balls. It's for a girl. Plus you won't be able to help yourself from rubbing the pointy things on the chest part and people at work will think you're a pervert.
Don't do it!
I have to call Luthah Umbilicus in on this.
Jappy... heed the warnings, as given.
Or else you will be driven
by those pointy things
to branes insane
I'm no poet... don't you know it.
Oh... forgot. I'm an above the neck kind of guy. So the sweet seductress valley girl didn't move me much.
Also... loved Mad, mad, etc. world. The biggest laugh in my childhood.
Sure I do. Nothing like the perfect part in the hair... for those silky haired women anyway. For the curly haired gals... well, it depends on how curly. And how much I had to do with it.
Does the librarian come with the book?
Couldn't think of anything NOT retarded to say.
EJ, saying retarded things is fun. Don't let that hold you back.
Okay - this is plucked right out of context from the essay. I'm either reading it too philosophically, not philosophically enough, or too literally. Would someone please break this down into retard language?
" the progressive does not believe history is following a defined path to a specific, inevitable conclusion. Rather, the evolution of human society is constant and eternal. Its entirety is unknowable, the idea that it has an ultimate destination a complete misconception,"
Thanks, Luther. That helped a lot. I was getting too lofty in my thoughts. I got so lofty, I burned out. What happens when you burn out? You don't care anymore. I think that's what happened to the republican party. I think Michael Steele is injecting some hip hop into it.
Walk this way, niggahs......
"Walk this way, niggahs"......
we be goin to Hotlanta to pays our respects
to our home-boy, hope nobody objects
raise yo arms - raise yo arms
we be eatin pig-skins,chicken and grits
till we comes down wit them runny fits
so grab up the chilerns, da mama and da babies
throw them in the Mercedes, with them old ladies
raise yo arms-raise yo arms
Thank you Mr. Attorney General sir for the invitation
to talk about our differences. No one likes a coward.
Also a sincere thank you Mr. Steele for teaching us about
the Hip-Hop music, such a joy.
Come on niggahs
Dis whut I figuhs
We be dancin dont you know
Ain' no walkin' 'roun real slow
So get it up, get it up.
Get it up with glee
Come on sistah get down wit me
Watch owt Luthah, watch out Jappy
Ain' no one carin' if you de pappy
Gubmit taken care 'o all 'o us
An id don't matter how bad we cuss.
Hot damn bitches get down wit me
So git it up, git it up
Get it up wit glee.
Walk dis way to de promise land
Wheah all you do es hole owt yo hand.
It's yours, it's yours, it's yours fo free
Get it up, get it up..
Get it up wit glee.
if i must say:
some mighty fine ryming..
.. weak on da timing
Someone needs to give some guidance on how we should walk... though hip hop... eh, not so much. How about some nice shit hot Brazilian salsa instead. That might reignite your fires.
But sure... just ask, I'm here to help. :)
On a more serious note, I often wonder about something I heard G. Gordon Liddy say once many years ago when I happened to overhear his radio program. He said that one can obtain a liberal arts education, but one is trained in most other, especially technical, fields. As a holder of a BS & MS in Engineering Mechanics, I tend to agree. I wish I had been more mature when in school, and realized the value of studying, in addition to the mandatory technical topics, some so-called "humanities" (boring to me at the time) whose ramifications I now find interesting (Peloponnesian War, Punic Wars, Ancient Greek/Roman philosophies, governments, statesmen, etc). Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case for the benefits of studying these and other liberal arts areas. Having said all this, of course, does not justify the explosion of obviously ludicrous "courses" that have cropped up due to asinine liberal influences. I think most readers here are mature enough to realize that I'm not making a case for study of these moronic topics, nor do I think that one should graduate without some understanding of calculus, physics, etc. Bottom line is, a well-rounded course of study is not a bad idea, especially for us trained types. Sorry if this sounds soapbox, BD.
You certainly said that well. I read an article within the last two years that was about how CEOs of businesses lamented the fact that many of their 'fine' employees were overtrained and under-educated. The basic complaint, and it was not a complaint so much as a sigh, was that their 'brilliant' employees knew little to nothing of the liberal arts and were stymied by the lack. The article said something about colleges having to focus so hard on skills to the exclusion of the 'luxury' of the classics and that made for a somewhat shallow graduate. In essence, the CEOs interviewed for the piece generalized that 'brilliance' comes at the high price of knowledge. Most college kids end up in school six years or more and still can't fit in the classics. Welcome to the information age at the cost of information.
I think the problem in liberal arts, the reason its not an education for so many, is that it is approached with snobbery.
I received a good liberal arts education and got a lot out of it because I tried to approach the subjects humbly and learn from them.
The trendy method is to approach a subject and attempt to hammer it into a shape that confirms something that I want to believe - that the Greeks fought well because they were gay, that Europe experienced a dark age because women were oppressed, that the main events in European history were driven by class consciousness and oppression.
The lessons of history and literature are generally there for the taking, if you learn the plain facts first and search for the thing that we seem to deny exists (at least since modernism came into vogue), the Truth. When liberal arts education is about something other than seeking truths, it becomes the caricature that so many are fond of mocking.
And yeah, I'm one a them over edumacated fans of Sarah Palin. When I heard that her husband had a few snowmobiles in the yard, I said, "my people." She needs to develop policy positions consistent with her core beliefs, y'know, learn a lot of facts, but her basic outlook seems pretty healthy so far. A modest dose of populism is a good place to start.
If you can read, you can still obtain a liberal arts education. The "hot house" environment of the university does help in forcing you along but many great men obtained their education in the wild far from the manicured campuses. Then it was access to books, today it is time to focus.
I suspect now that you are out in the world the issue is finding the time to read and reflect. You could benefit from finding a others motivated to attack the readings as well but that is achievable with the internet. Arnold Kling over at the Econlog has put forth a proposal of a "school without classrooms" in which this would fit the bill.
In 1909, Harvard president Charles William Eliot asserted that the essence of a liberal arts education could be obtained from a five-foot shelf of books, and hence the 51 volume-collection known as the Harvard Classics was born. One could certainly do worse than start with those volumes. (One could certainly do worse at many of today's liberal arts colleges, in fact.)
Mmmmm, girls in libraries. I do remember. But it was a long time ago...
Off topic, but have seen that picture before and it is the sexiest picture of a woman I have ever seen.
We need to encourage everyone to be in college for as many years as they possibly can, in the hope that somewhere along the line they might get some exposure to the world outside their town, and to moral ideas not exclusively derived from their parents' religion. If they don't get this in college, they're not going to get it anywhere else.
Reminds me of that duo of edjumacated socialists, Woody Wilson and Lil' Johnnie Dewey, one of whom said something about polishing the apple before if falls from the tree, the other claiming that we must endeavor to make each generation as unlike their parents as possible. Liberal fascists, each.
That quote caught my attention too - since my experiences were the exact opposite.
In college, we referred to our campus as the "bubble" since it was so isolated and removed from the real world.
My exposure to the world was acquired as a Marine and then a Soldier. My most valuable college experience was a semester abroad in Sri Lanka. Living in a variety of places around the U.S. helped too.
My professors (and classmates who went on to another campus bubble for their PhD’s then settled down for a long run in the education industry) would be disappointed to hear that those experiences opened my eyes to reality and made me a conservative.
That's a very worthwhile point, NJSoldier. Of course it's the antithesis of what most academics hope for, which is one reason why they all tut tut and act dismayed when someone chooses a career in the military.
Another reason why they don't like the idea, of course, is that they see the only value of travel as being its ability to suggest the flaws and limitations of contemporary American life. The expectation is that people will travel and say, "why can't we be more like Italy or Greece," and not, "Italy and Greece are beautiful places with interesting histories, but their governments sure have managed to mess things up for the people who live there."
That would be "the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory that the faculty of Harvard". Sorry to be so pedantic but it makes more sense than 2000 to me.
Thank you and all the good people at Maggie's Farm for my several times daily update on life.
I am a Ship's Captain on a vessel currently in Malaysia and my family and I have enjoyed our home in the Philippines for the past 16 years.
I noted a comment of recent about the perceived need for an Asian input and flavor. I am a retired U.S. Navy Vet. hailing from Mississippi. Stomped quite a good patch of the world courtesy of Uncle Sam's Navy and have been enjoying the fruits of hard work and self training and promotion to become a U.S. Merchant Marine Captain on many vessels throughout the world.
Somewhat sane and sober, and a humble and grateful adopted son of the living God through Christ...Perhaps however, the sea and the sun and the welcome vodka shot do color my language.
Thanks again to all of at Maggie's Farm for a welcome dose of sanity.
I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing we could all read some tales about your life as a Merchant Marine Captain.
America is the land of the average Joe and Jane. Any deviation toward outliers is a denial of this truth.
Liked a lot the conclusion - But I am "mentally retarded," so I guess my view doesn't count. - everyone is the liar, said the liar.
Couldn't pass by this article, it tickles me also. However I like every article in this category - best essay