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Monday, March 24. 2008
Roger Kimball on the 60s - Tariq Ali: Fool of '68. A quote:
Read the whole thing.
It Went Into A Four Piece Ikea Set and Down Payment For A Volvo
The Article: From the Guardian, Where has all the rage gone? by Tariq Ali — a leader during the 1960’s, involved in the New Left. The Text: A storm swept the world in 1968. It started in Vietnam, then blew across Asia, crossing the sea and ...
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"...unmasking illegitimate claims to “liberation” and bogus feats of idealism emerges as a prime critical task"
Hear, hear. Nothing is more important in these days & times than just that. Otherwise energetic stupidy will just ride free over the landscape, slashing & burning everything.
Great article. Read the entire thing. Didn't see enough to quibble about .
I've said many time that the Boomer Generation has been one of the most destructive in this nations history. As a leading edge member of that generation, now a year from drawing Social Security, I proudly look back and fully appreciate that I was a contrarian. Joined the Marines, backed Goldwater, and actively and vociferously parred with the leftest professors in my Political Science classes over their Marxist interpretation of history and needless to say the active Vietnam war. ( Papers wirtten to an A standard regularly received a "C" grade..there's always a price to be paid for being un-PC)
The study of revolutions reveals time and again a curious commonality. They are honchoed by upper middle class, well off 20ish kids. Fortunately in my myopia I see no next "Boomers" blooming. Myopia is exactly that, isn't it?
The two following generations, so-called "X" and "Millenials", will doubtless be too busy cleaning up after us boomers to follow a similar silliness. Academia is probably the worst culprit, and it won't take that many OIF vets in the coming classrooms to stifle the greasy gray ponytail professors. As Kimball implies, a few small hot blasts of truth can explode masses of the meretricious myth which characterize the last few decades of "higher" ed.
Moral passion isn't sucked altogether Roger.
Stiff upper lip, bloke.
Chauvenists scurry about but are not unnoticed as they hawk trinkets to envious new "boomers".
About 20 years ago I went to the University of NOrth Florida to take a course in the French Revolution. I also signed up for a course in American history 1940 to the present (at that time).
The French Revolution, being taught by a boomer Marxist had all of the required reading from Marxists, which I questioned and got the required professorial smackdown.
In the US Hx class the guy was boomer but only mildly Marxist but definitely anti American. In my best Socratic method I ripped him a good one for eight weeks, letting him know that I'd been there , done that and where had he been and done what. The young kids watching this 40+ year old rip the professor was a sight to behold but I wasn't about to let him propagandize the that class .. and I didn't.
heh -- bet he hated yo ass-- never fails to amaze how few conservatives get into the edu biz. I guess it's the old medieval 'guild' rules operating, sotto voce.
"...so-called "X" and "Millenials", will doubtless be too busy cleaning up after us..."
Nah, Buddy. They'll be living with you to save money. :)
I tried "reading the whole thing" but I kept getting lost. Was it satire? For example, he kept using lots of political-type words, like "left-wing". Do I take it that most hippies were left-wing radicals?
Of course, I note that he was just a young child of 14 during the Summer of Love, and appears to have lived and grown up in the East, 3,000 miles from where it happened, so do we presume that he's basing his information on other writers who also weren't there at the time?
"To an extent scarcely imaginable thirty years ago"
2008 minus 1968 is 40 years, not 30.
But why bother with the truth.
maybe when he said "thirty years" he meant 'thirty years' ?
heh heh --well they're always welcome, heh heh (gulp)....
I do not think he dashed this essay off overnight, but I found it too vague even though I agree with the sentiments, overall.
Great catches that totally eluded my Charlie Chan steel trap mind.
It was very much, as those types of major events are, a thing where you had to actually be "in the moment" to understand it fully. Since he was 14 and 3k away I don't think he was "in the moment, however I also agree with BD that he managed to capture a good bit of the carnage that Boomers have left in their wake.
I was 2500 miles away but the University of Florida was dubbed on national TV by no less than Walter Cronkite, "the Berkeley of the South" Of course I wasn't in the hippie mode but you get the idea
I was Gainesville/Berkeley sex ,drugs and rock and roll.
And to keep things PC we must acknowledge the relativistic nature of the "Hippie" Movement...all the sub cultures, Weathermen, Double Secret Probationers' etc..
Now the question is did Habu write this or did the troll who has infected last nights thread and started using others names write it? or did Rufus write it, or Buddy? Or did the WHO write it. Who , who?
not: I was Gainesville/Berkeley sex ,drugs and rock and roll.
but: It was ..blah, blah and roll.
I did do drugs, did have sex (strictly hetero) and I did rock and roll.
T'weren't me -- the only fake names I use are those knee-slapping uproariously comic ones. As for using another's name -- wo, never -- major breach of etiquette.
One of my kids (gasp- I know- At least they read more than me) is 13 and seems to have a pretty good grip on reality.
He gets a lot of it from me. Also, I have a hard time believing him when he says there's very little propagandizing being done at school. However, he's pro nuke power, for instance, and sees us "grownups" as mostly only fooling each other. Chuckling at our games.
Logic and a vague sense of duty pull at him. I hope he is typical of his generation. (those that aren't addicted to video games) We are going to need help shoving all you boomers into the soylent green machines, just kidding.
Habu, I know you and you post only under your name. I know you are man enough to put anyone's lights out in a heartbeat. I know you would rip someone's head off and shit down their neck if they ever crossed you.
I'm there for you, Habu. I got your back, dude.
Nice of you.....one problem. I don't know you. Last night a Jack Spratt was playing games and used a Keith (I'm guessing here) to say that he knew me etc, etc..well Keith, I don't have a friend named Keith. I'm not sure what your game is but you're hurting the site...it's not my site but you're still hurting it.
What is it you want? What are you trying to accomplish?
Nice thread down below, Habu. ha ha ha. You worked hard. Worked overtime, too, I see. It's easy to figure out who's who at MF, and your efforts at passing the nic are obvious.
You got a call? From who? Ghostbusters?
What in the world would make any of us believe someone from here would call you late at night over a comment, or that anyone would take you seriously about coming down to Jacksonville for a beating?
Here's Jack Spratt:
Jack Spratt could eat no fat.
His wife could eat no lean.
And so betwixt them both,
They licked the platter clean.
Nursery rhyme. How fitting....
You're not hurting the site..... you're making it a gas.
Well Meta that's a game-changer. i just got finished--downsite--attempting to appeal to the identity-malefactor's conscience. now you says it's a haboonian logic game. hmmm...now i'm befuddled. i like mind games -- i play one 24 hours a day, pretending i got one --
'Vague', BD? sheesh. You're too nice.
"is that the counterculture, in its attack on secular materialism, “will bring down—will discredit—human things that are of permanent importance. A spiritual rebellion against the constrictions of secular humanism could end up … in a celebration of irrationalism and a derogation of reason itself.”
A little overboard with very vague generalizations here.
How do people write this imbecilic profundity when their lives are so narrow? Why don't these writers of doom remember Kansas? Or at least remember that every generation has its counterculture and that much progress came out of each one as opposed to sheer misery.
It's not hard to figure it out, Buddy. He leaves too many clues and always has. When he has conversations with himself - which are usually hysterical - you know it's still Habu. As well, as with last night, when he gets mad, he doesn't do well with disguise.
I could point out each 'nic' that is he, but it would be a waste. Yes, he did hijack other people's names to cover up for his unfortunate threats of last night.
I just read your comments below. I don't think the site will lose any of its integrity. It is the integrity of the 'faker' using 'anonymous' or other names to insult others that is ruined. In this case, he did so much damage that he had to come back and mess others up in an effort to restore a now vapid integrity. Bullies never win. Never. But they don't go down without a fight. Watch.
well, innocent-until-proven, don't forget. It could well have been that Spratt feller, fresh out of lean and feeling a mite peckish
You think it was somebody on the site who called me? Or could it have been someone who reads my stuff but never contributes? I do have friends who are aware of my writing and actually enjoy it and learn from it.
You're making some huge jumps in logic totally unsupported by any evidence at all. Pure speculation on your part. But there's nothing to prevent you from saying the moon is made of green cheese either.
I have used another name.... Sometimes I use Possumtater, have for years.
Should I bring him back from down at the bayou and testify or do you want to just subpoena him?
Are you Meta or are you Jack Spratt or are you Habu doing Jack Spratt? I bet you're not Meta, why would she get into this?
Yes, what is Meta's motivation for getting involved in something she had no part of, unless she did have a part in it..Meta is Jack Spratt?
Meta's motivation? Hmmm? Why get into something when you don't have a dog in that fight? What's say Jack?
maybe it's time to get back to a controlled environment
yeah ,like the Belmont Club. Use to be a fancy place.
yeah, you have a point.
and they are protected from this type of wasted time stuff
that's true, I should give that a go ;cause this kinda thing could go on and on
might not be a bad move.
remember why you came here?
yeah, Buddy..I liked his thinking and presentation.
but he stays pretty subdued these days
so maybe he's posting at Belmont?
anyway he's a helluva guy, hope to meet up with him one day
introduced you to that arts and letters site..a gud'n
yep, I'll miss him.
kinda funny..Belmont Club to Elephant Bar to here and back to the beginning.
big wheel keep on turn'n
well, the thing is, I can't argue with Meta, as I'm opinhay ootay etgay inhay ootay erhay antspay omesay ayday.
oh great -- now i get to dangle here over the white space, contemplating my flop joke and feeling the flop sweat running down my gluteal cleft and spreading relentlessly across the fabric of my Herman Miller.
ha ha... Buddy. I won't let you dangle. It's okay.
Funny Habu - makes a sorrowful goodbye and is STILL here! What a guy. :)
Duh. :] Buddy, I somehow managed to post your no-more-dangling response somewhere above. Look up. d'oh.
P.S. I am secretly Inspector Meta Clousseau.
(whew) -- thanks -- what was meant a compliment had started looking, all by its lonesome as it was, sorty pervish --