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Tuesday, September 20. 2022
Is it legal to employ illegal immigrants? I thought it wasn't.
What are approx. 2 million illegals supposed to do in the US? That's a lot of people in one year. What are they doing?
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There are a couple of things that are done. The first option is to work in the underground economy - picking up casual labor with daily pay, construction and landscaping-type jobs. Or, they do household labor, same kind of deal with hourly wage, paid in cash. I know some that are nannies, doing this under the radar. And who wouldn't want a warm, caring, affordable nanny? A person that employs them runs a risk, but it's not a huge one unless they scale up and start repeat hiring on a more full time basis. If they're picked up every day, they're not employees, so there's no wage checks and W-2s and so on. It's illegal - but then of course the US Government has already bought this ticket by leaving the borders wide open. Buy the ticket, take the ride. But it also leaves the Feds with lots of opportunities to be punitive about it - say, if your politics are the wrong kind, for example.
The way employment in businesses are handled for an illegal is by claiming a phony Social Security number. It's always worth checking your personal account with the SS Administration to see if someone is using your number. This way, the business has an excuse if the Dept of Labor shows up. I'm not an expert in these laws, but there have been several bills that have been put forward that would put a strong onus on an Employer to make sure they are vetting their employees to hire only documented people. But I think these have failed along party lines.
I've helped a couple of people get their Green Cards, it's not that hard, although it takes a good bit of time to process through - years, usually (at least back when I was doing it). It goes a lot quicker when you hire a lawyer that specializes in it - like trying to get a visa to a foreign country, a real hassle if you try to do it, but it takes an hour for the visa service.
A lot of illegals are quite adept at gaming the system, and a lot of employers are too.
It is illegal to hire someone who has no work authorization-- which includes some people here legally, e.g. those on tourist visas (or visa waivers), by the way. Formally, this can be a criminal offense (for trafficking and such) or civil offense (for simpler cases). Formally, an employer is required to ask for proof of work authorization (citizenship or suitable visa) before employing someone. But it's hardly ever enforced, and indeed, there's hardly any way for even an honest employer to check the validity of some of the forms of identity (e.g. that the birth certificate they're showing you is actually theirs).
Oh, and incidentally - I'd hate for anybody to get the wrong idea - but that's 2 million people so far this year, just in case you're getting ideas as to the scale of the problem. The real number isn't known, since the political parties have set things in motion to ensure it's an out-of-control problem, but it's thought to be anywhere from 30 - 50 million people that are in our country illegally, with little-to-no understanding of their criminal history, educational achievement, or infectious diseases past or present. That's kind of a lot, when one's preferences run to Law & Order, although a lot of them just want a better life and live in fear.
And who wouldn't want a warm, caring, affordable nanny?
The experience of my extended family in El Paso is that nanny more often than not will steal them blind. Caveat emptor.
Make it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally. Make it illegal to aid or assist an illegal in any way, hiring them, housing then feeding them. Make it illegal to use any federal funds or resources for anyone here illegally. That is what congress should do. But they listen to big business and big business want cheap labor.
The systems is as follows; Jose hires Javier to service his landscape clients; each client paying a fixed amount per month and Javier getting a lesser fixed amount per client. Javier is legitimately on the payroll, taxes and everything. Now Javier has some cousins from where ever, they come into the country but are not legal taxpaying workers, so Javier puts them on his jobs for a percentage of what he is getting from Jose and does more work with the extra labor. Javier shows as the employee and has taxes withheld. Jose's books are clean, the landscape clients get their work done at a fixed price. Law shmaw I really don't know what some of the above are talking about.
"That's a lot of people. What are they doing?"
Registering to vote. Several times.
You can't be too careful with voter registration.
Many work in new home construction where everyone involved is an independent contractor, which makes it easier because there are no withholdings. Everything is filed later. A fake TIN lets the boss send out the 1099s like he's supposed to. He doesn't know it's fake and isn't required to check. The worker either completes his taxes with the fake TIN, if he makes enough money, or doesn't file. It takes years for the IRS to catch up to someone who doesn't file taxes.
I think it's safe to say that what SF Jeff explained is also accurate.
It seems impossible because you've never had to do it. But if you have a large extended family that looks after each other, and you don't require a lot of money, then it's not a bad option.
US immigration law states that once you've been in the country on an application for asylum, you can apply for a work permit, which carries the same effect as a valid work visa, or even greater since it is not tied to a particular employer. That's why there was the big rush to reclassify from undocumented worker to asylum seeker: the request for asylum is legally documentation, and the work permit is virtually assured, since the adjudication process is bogged down that the adjudication process cantake a year or more, and actually gets extended if the seeker misses hearings.
Again, impose tariffs on Mexico, as well as financial penalties on companies who utilize illegal immigration, and use that money to help build things like water desalination plants and oil rigs.
The asylum laws are being abused and we need to rescind them. We need to end all immigration, legal and illegal. We have lost our country and are stupidly continuing this suicide.
"impose tariffs on Mexico"
I agree but would go one step further. Compile the costs of the illegals here by country and bill them for reimbursements. Do this in addition to mass deportations.
We live in an occupied country. The majority of us wanted less legal immigration and zero illegal immigration for 40 years. We got the opposite. Until immigration becomes a problem for the people who benefit from it it will never change. Except maybe get worse. People forget the only reason immigration slowed down back in the 1920s was because Italian anarchist blew up Wall Street and killed dozens of people and injured hundreds.
You mean another felony that leftist prosecutors will fail to prosecute?