We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
Bob Dylan even claimed that ‘Norwegian Wood’ was so similar to his style that he even made a parody of the song called ‘Fourth Time Around’ which appeared to deliberately mock John Lennon. Listening to Rubber Soul, Dylan replied: “What is this? It’s me, Bob. [John’s] doing me! Even Sonny & Cher are doing me, but, fucking hell, I invented it.”
Bob has inspired many. By the way, Rubber Soul is still a good record.
The old Spy Magazine ca. 1991 or so ran an article on Bob Dylan and had a chart iChildren of a Lesser Bob/i documenting all the musicians who followed or were iinfluenced/i by various Dylan styles. Quite a bunch of them!
I never liked Bob Dylan. I always thought that he was just a beatnik wannabe, with a guitar. There were a few songs of his that I liked, but he always tried so hard to put on that "I'm a poet." thing. Maybe in Greenwich Village, but not in Louisville.
I even went to see him in concert, thinking that maybe I just didn't understand his style. He was so bad. But I thought it was money well spent, because he really did suck; it wasn't just my imagination. I never bought into the "new consciousness" of the 1960's. To me, the whole thing looked fraudulent. All the drugs, and homeless hippies, and black people with headbands. The whole counterculture movement, with Allen Ginsberg and Janis Joplin was a mistake. Young people had every right to look for a better way, but they didn't do that. They just looked for a good time. Nobody was sitting around talking about economics, or parenthood, or theology. Those kids just wanted to screw and get high, but they claimed to be the "architects" of a new deal. As far as I'm concerned, Bob Dylan was just an example of how a social movement can be fake. Just like Back Lives Matter today. Anybody can claim heroic rejection of society. But that doesn't make them correct. Or cool. Before we had a bunch of white assholes; now we have a bunch of black assholes. Is this crap supposed to be music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V901REqSnD8
I think that Norwegian Wood was influenced by English folk music, while Dylan's style was influenced by music with the same origins, but filtered through the Irish and Appalachian influences that distinguished American Folk music.
Dylan's parody was taking this stripped-down version and piling six layers of himself back onto it.
This reminds me, probably appropriately, of the concept of "Minnesota nice", a form of damning with faint praise. It's epitomized as "It's nice. Not how I would have done it, but nice."
Another guy named Dan
Thank you. I never have understood the praised heaped on Dylan. His songs are incomprehensible as messages. They are simply sometimes interesting processions of words and a decent tune, and sometimes not. [ All Along The Watchtower ] isn't even his, even though he wrote it. It belongs to Jimi Hendrix.
Well, one difference between Lennon's Rubber Soul songs and Dylan's is that Lennon could sing. Dylan never really mastered that. He is in the Jimmy Durante/Louis Armstrong league of people that shouldn't have sung, but did.
While Dylan did have a FEW songs I enjoyed, I always felt he was the most overrated musician in popular music. He got good publicity from the New York music press and people need to feel like they are in the know, so they just repeated those platitudes. As far as his lyrics, he could write massive amounts of verses. But, when you examined the meaning of his songs, there really wasn't any. Just a song that sounded like it was saying something, but really didn't. The listener just imposed his own believe structure on what he thought Dylan meant. Some anonymous person once said that they thought Dylan was just a speed freak, cranking out tons of words while the buzz was on. Sort of tweaking with words. I tend to agree.
Anonymous White Male
I'd call "Rubber Soul" Peak Beatles.
Middle Dylan played the game, like so much poetry, of not making LOGICAL sense but somehow making emotional sense.
You'll drive yourself crazy by attempting a logical story out of much of Dylan's lyrics. You'll sound nuts if you try to explain it.
Some of his latter stuff is fine rock 'n roll - like in "Modern Times."
But as a poet, he proved his skills by making a rhyme of "Ashtabula"
Every musician with any standing hated the Beatles back in the day. Who could blame them? My father was a jazzman; he hated on them.
Mr Bob was threatened by them too.
The Byrds did Dylan proud. But Maggie's Farm is best by Mr Bob.
I always liked Norwegian Wood when I was young; now I cringe when I hear it and see John stuffing the fireplace with Danish Modern furniture, walnut, dovetailed joints, hand sanded and finished. The design is hard to fit in, but as design, it is triumphant - thin and curved, light but strong, natural wood, organic and simple.