We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
I respect Penn and I agree with him on lots of topics, but I do not agree with him on God (though I am really impressed that he's read the Bible).
I am not a Christian because I want God to keep me from raping or killing anybody or because I am afraid of death. I don't believe God makes people suffer (for that matter I don't believe he makes people happy).
It's often funny B.S. though. However I've had quite my fill of him and others for whom atheism is a religion and not just a state they wound up in.
William O. B'Livion
I'm not really a god botherer, but if God, the Creator Of The Universe And All Its' Contents shows up, and convinces me he his who he is, he's going to get a bit of an argument from me, but if he's got the right answers, yeah I'd probably kill my firstborn. He's going to have to be hella convincing though.
I mean really, he's GOD. Once you've internalized the notion that he's the first guy who figured out how to sort laundry AND then went on to build everything, including women (which means he's the ONLY guy who knows how they work).
Then again would the sort of God worth worshiping ask you to do that?
William O. B'Livion
The point of the Abram story is that it was an exceptional act of faith to be willing to kill your first born for Abram. But this is because of who Abram is. The bible also shows that many people are willing to kill their babies without much bother for mere idols.
The story of Abraham and sacrificing Isaac may be the most misunderstood story of the Bible along with the commandment 'thou shall not kill'.
Rene Girard does a good job of putting that story into the context of the culture of human sacrifice that was the default culture of human relations that God was working to lead humans beyond. Every pagan 'god' required human sacrifice. Abraham was simply going along with the prevailing culture when 'god' instructed him as 'he/they' instructed everyone to sacrifice an innocent. Then God, the God of Abraham, intervened with a different paradigm to substitute a sacrificial symbol in place of the sacrifice of the innocent human. Jesus' sacrifice was not about an angry God looking for vengence but rather God's ultimate victory over human sacrifice as a scapegoat as a solution to social disruption. That is the power behind the crucifixition. Human scapegoating no longer has any power over human relations.
Without that context the story just doesn't sound right. I don't know if the context is lost in translation(s) or lack of verbal tradition to provide the context to the text. But I wouldn't expect a commedian to bother with that level of detail and nuance, wouldn't fit his conclusions.
Good grief, God did not do that to Job, Satan did. It is an allegory of a dialogue between Satan and God related to God's faithful servant Job. It is not literal and it is not historical. It is intended to communicate a truth through story.
I am NOT taking the rap for killing Jesus. I was NOT even born then. The humans that convicted him and forced him to drag a cross around then nailed him to it killed him. God did not intervene to stop the humans from killing his OWN flesh and blood.
Obama, (the devil), did not MAKE me do it.