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Wednesday, November 4. 2009
After my morning prayers, and thanks for Republican victories in yesterday’s elections that may help stop the ObamaCare obomination in its tracks, I picked up my morning newspaper and on page 3 read the article, “Move to put spiritual care in health bill.” (Sorry, my local newspaper’s website is down for overhaul, but here’s the complete wire service dispatch.)
This is exactly one of the absurdities that argues against ObamaCare or most further government takeover of healthcare. Special interests intrude their mandates, and costs, on us all, even with little justification outside their mustered political power.
One of the battles in Congress is over a provision of the House ObamaCare bill that would require insurers to pay for prayer treatments as for other medical treatments. It was proposed by a Republican congressman, whose district includes
There’s some evidence that a patient’s morale affects their recovery. There’s some evidence that prayer can improve a patient’s morale. There’s, also, much more evidence that prayer will not cure most ailments and, indeed, there are sufficient studies that substituting prayer for proven scientific medicine can prolong or worsen serious ailments that otherwise could be alleviated or cured.
I, personally, like the saner holistic approach to medicine, to add proper diet, exercise, some vitamins, and yoga to one’s health regimen. And, I pray. But, to require that medical insurance cover these is insane, and costly, crowding out the core scientific medicine that is essential. Many who are uninsured are, thus, priced out of coverage due to the costs of mandates for usually lesser effective treatments, like chiropractry or acupuncture or massage, being added into insurance. Further, adding in very expensive in vitro fertilization, as desirable as it may be for those infertile to enjoy having children, is similarly counterproductive to our main concerns about improving health care. If they want children, pay for it, or accept your fate. There is not a legal nor moral obligation for taxpayers or others who buy insurance to buy children for them.
This argument in Congress over whether to include insurance coverage for prayer is an absurd but indicative example of what we can expect when special interest government runs health care.
Addendum: The above are just a few more examples of some of the points that The B made in his Insurance Freedom post this week. It is, indeed, insane. Furthermore, I never heard of paying for prayer. Prayer is one of the few things that remains free and untaxed.
Addendum: Christian Science practioners do charge. Other "clergy" may and will, as well, if they can get paid by insurance.
BTW, see my comment below about which "mandate" I'd like to have in my insurance!
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Did you not see Dr. "Almond Joy" Bliss's piece the other day? If she is to be believed, the medical profession IS some sort of priesthood.
I just had no idea there was a cost associated with prayer. Leave it to a Republican to point this out for us. I learn something new every day.
P.S.: A beautiful, sexy blonde nurse catering to my sexual desires would, also, add to my morale for recovery from an illness.
There's my "special interest" legislative proposal!
First clause of the First Ammendment is "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion.... So I guess if someone temporarally renounces his sworn duty as a legislator, then he CAN make such a law. No problem.
Well, if he renounces his duty as a legislator, doesn't he cease to hold the authority to legislate? See, problem.
As you are a believer, I trust you do not pray that your patients get well or you'd be out of business. Catch 22.
The military insurance program, Tricare, pays for health services by Christian Science providers -- dressing changes, personal hygiene assistance, things like that. It does not pay for the prayer services. However, prayer services do require time from the provider. In order to offer the service, the provider needs some kind of compensation unless he/she is wealthy enough to operate out of generosity.
I am not making the case for Christian Science healing or for mandating compensatin for Christian Science healers. I'm just pointing out that, if you accept the value of Christian Science healing, it's only appropriate to sustain the ones who provide the service.
I'm with Dr. Bliss. I pray that I will do well for my clients every day. When I was a medic, I prayed for their healing as well. But our friend Dr Bliss might want to watch that phrasing...
Thus the slope gets slippery...Soldiers are a different story. We have put them in harm's way, in often morally ambiguous, disproportionally life and death situations. And as we pay for their clergy, the Christian Science aspect is a naturally blurred line. It does not transfer to civilian life.
Tricare doesn't pay for active-duty care at all. I don't think the VA pays for Christian Science services either. Tricare is for family members and retirees like myself. You're right that care for soldiers on active-duty is something else.
Which is how the line gets blurred. A hypothetical soldier is getting Christian Science treatment, for whatever reason that treatment bleeds over into retirement, somewhere along the line someone thinks that it's unfair that this poor soldier's treatment is going to get stopped, so a rider goes on some bill, one thing leads to another, and we're talking about paying for everyone's Christian Science care. And of course, the families of soldiers get included. Slipper slope that must be stopped at the point of military/civilian demarcation.
I'm waiting for someone to point out, anent Obamacare, that the supposedly uninsured, the number of which seems to vary almost daily, already have care under present-day circumstances. They use hospital emergency rooms for all of their medical needs, thus spectacularly clogging the emergency medical system. If we would just let them continue that, and possibly pay to enlarge the emergency system somewhat, we'd have a lot cheaper solution for the uninsured that Congress is so worried about. And they wouldn't continue to dabble in our private business, private arrangements with insurers, and private plans for our end of life. Here's a Manifesto I drafted a week or so ago, about just this:
MY HEALTHCARE MANIFESTO
Pay attention now, you Busybodies …
NO! You cannot “voluntarily” or involuntarily harvest any of my organs. What the hell do you want with the elderly organs of an elderly woman anyway?
NO! You cannot pull the plug on me, just because I closed my eyes for a minute. Or even a week or a month. That decision belongs to my doctor in coordination with those designated persons who love me and wish me well. Not you civilian busybodies who don’t even know me. If it were up to you, we would have lost the aggregate wisdom of Stephen Hawking, Charles Krauthammer, and other physically flawed but greatly talented individuals.
NO! I don’t care who you ignorant folks decide is more “worthy” to have my precious organs and my precious life. They are mine, dammit, and I spent my working life earning the money and paying the taxes to support them. I value them, and me, and so do the people who love me.
SO … just drop the idea that you’re smarter and wiser than I am and can therefore decide my ultimate value better than I can. You can’t. Hell – half of you can’t even write a grammatically correct sentence, much less make complicated moral decisions objectively.
BACK OFF. Stop dicking around with my fate. Go back to Square One, and start figuring out how to write a compassionate, fair healthcare bill that doesn’t insult the intelligence of American people.
Marianne R. Matthews
I also don't want bureaucrats deciding to prolong my life when my doctor and my family agree that I've met the conditions of my advanced directive, that further definitive care is futile, and that prolonging my life is really prolonging my death. In other words, I don't want this decision to lie with bureaucrats of any kind.
Regarding "Prayer is another insanity in ObamaCare"
You apparently know nothing factual about Christian Science and likewise you are apparently uninformed about bona fide metaphysical healing, even though chances are you've been healed hundreds of times without even knowing it...
I recommend you download and read the Christian Science Textbook "Science & Health with Key to the Scriptures" by the founder of Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy.
Mary Baker Eddy is one of the 100 most influential women in the history of the United States. That means that she has had an enormously positive effect on the entire world - through Christian Science healing, the same way Jesus healed.
Download Science & Health with Key to the Scriptures here:
Read about healings here:
P.S. Healing through Christian Science is WAY cheaper than medical treatment. So if you use it, you'd save thousands upon thousands of dollars. The typical Christian Science treatment costs very little and is extremely effective and thorough so long as you seek to understand how you are healed and not just interested in a quick cure.
Loren: Thanks for writing.
Yes, I am not any sort of expert about Christian Science, nor do I, intentionally at least, seek to insult it.
However, I have spoken with some knowledgeable people who grew up in CS homes, who today are skeptical about some of its claims to heal or be a substitute for "scientific" medicine.
Further, the point here is not CS, or Jewish or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or any other prayer. The point is that mandates added into insurance raise costs for all or impose treatments into premiums that most don't want or need, and that the state should stay out of our private and personal business and health care. Lastly, one can expect, once this prayer door is opened for other special interest groups, including false "faith healers", to want their cut and seek payments from our premiums. Or, should I stock up on snakes and prepare to join the gravy train?
Well, I'll tell you one thing. I have relied on nothing but prayer for many years now and YES I have occasionally paid practitioners for their help--it is vastly more affordable and (in my experience) beautifully effective than anything I've experienced in a doctor's office.
But more to the point is this: If I am going to be forced to pay for YOUR very expensive form of healthcare, which I myself never utilize, then heck yes, you are going to pay for my $10 prayer treatments and you are not going to judge me for it. Thanks.
CS practioners have been practicing for over 100 years and are paid for it, this is there job, just as a doctors job, to help others, and CS works, it is not a faith healing, hence the name Science in its title , it is a science and is proven and has been recognized by health insurers for years.
have a great day!