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Monday, December 22. 2008
Freedom is always in peril.
Regular readers know that, here at Maggie's, we hold individual freedom from the power of the State as the highest political value.
We figger that's why we had a revolution.
Other countries seem to rate other values more highly, and seem more willing to put their lives in the oily, arrogant, and mediocrity-ridden hands of the political and power classes - as plenty of Americans seem to be willing to do these days. That's fine for those other nations if that's what they want, but we are meant to be special in the freedom way - and an example for others to follow if they can. Two quotes from Freedom Imperilled at The New Criterion:
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It is almost too painful to know the history of this country, the sacrifices etched in the bloodstained footprints of the colonist seeking a victory over the mightiest nation on Earth; footprints of barefooted soldiers at Valley Forge and countless other marches. Of all the wars we have fought, not for empire, but for mankind’s freedom.
The physical sacrifice that those who only had a dream and the courage they could offer, while others, the greatest gathering of intellectuals in history forged the best documents they could from their combined knowledge and experience. Documents that have served us well for centuries, until recently. That was the contribution of the intellectuals who knew, as Benjamin Franklin said immediately before signing the Declaration of Independence, ""We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
And the foot soldier and the intellectuals with the desire for right and freedom defeated the greatest power one Earth. And succeeding generation have protected that freedom.
Thanks to the Enlightenment, with David Hume as part of it's vanguard each Founding Father knew that all governments, like a dying star turning to a black hole eventually accumulates too much power and the people become objects of the governments oppression, just as if it were a black hole. We have arrived at that place in our history. Only those who do not know mankind’s ascent to 1776 can deny the citizenry is losing their freedom, and it, as Hume said, is by increments. Not a rending of the fabric but a subversively benign quiet unraveling of the fabric, soft and gentle and as deadly as hemlock.
Once I had a colloquy with a man I respect greatly but have never met. He is our contemporary and very bright and insightful. He observed that perhaps the time was drawing near, so near, that the people would have to fight their way back to the constitution. I have never forgotten that wisdom from Mr. Buddy Larsen. I believe it to be true.
I'm disgusted with the Supreme Court turning all these natural born citizen cases down. I think Donofrio had it right, and, according to him, we've got no Constitution anymore. Natural Born Citizen is his blog. Add in Kelo, Roe v Wade, the affirmative action case, the whole thing is starting to stink.
We dodged the 2nd Amendment bullet by only one vote in the Supreme Court just recently. One vote.
Keep doing what you are doing. You and others like you provide a valuable source of information like this that we will never get from the mainstream media.
As the old media withers and dies, the independent voices for freedom and economic liberty get discovered, and e-mailed around the internet.
I always forward links like this to my liberal friends, recognizing that while it may not educate them, at it least will irritate them!
I have fought for this country both in uniform and covertly. I swore an allegiance to the Constitution, which I am smart enough to read and understand. Though not an attorney I have taken numerous Constitutional Law classes all of which I excelled at. Our government has lost its way, is influenced by factions inimical to our way of life, and is in need of a revolution as Jefferson recommended.
Should it come to pass that an interpretation comes down from the government to disarm the population I will be in the front lines opposing the government, for it will have ,as you pointed out via Kelo , lost it's legitimacy to govern. It is a usurper of powers (Kelo) belonging to the people that are inviolate.
As the Greeks, the Spartans and the Thespians said to Xerxes and the Persians at the Battle of Thermopylae, 480 BC, when he demanded their weapons.. Molon Labe
And Bob we will not be alone. I would guess easily hundreds of thousands would join us. Let us hope those in power do not mistake their power as anything but temporary as it was meant to be. Should they overstep we will vote them out or secure our Bill of Rights by any means necessary. U.S. citizens don’t make very good slaves or subjects. It is WE THE PEOPLE.
I'll be there too Habu. With the possibility of 32 states willing and able to have a "meeting" to re-write the Constitution--we are a breath away from destruction. The sad thing is this: the same women in SEA that destroyed the Episcopal Church and put forth an incompetent woman to lead the church--this same group of wealthy, power hungry women,who believe they should be "change agents", are putting forward the women who will be sitting on Obama's team. Whether they actually lived in Seattle during the 80's and 90's, or whether they lived somewhere else: New Jersey, Missouri, Illinois. There is a network of wealthy women, who will put a woman into any empty spot of power--qualified or not, does not matter!
You should all go here to see you aren't alone.
We Three Percenters shall continue forward. Please join us.
The huge challenge for any organization that wants to keep this nation under the current constitution is the fact that the government can now identify any perceived threat almost immediately and snuff it out.
There are more than enough police, agencies security people of various stipes that do not question anything, they simply execute whatever order is given. Many are just this side of thugs.
What is needed is a highly credible former general , admiral, Senator or Congressman to lead. Otherwise, as previously stated the government will intercept this message and any others they want to, round us up and we'll never see the light of day again...and forget justice; that is now a concept for the truly naive. It's always about power.
Let me use an example (no insult intended Chris but you're handy) Let's say CIII gets a huge response of people who are willing to take up arms in defense of our current rights should they be threatened. How do we know Chris isn't some GS-5 sitting at Fort Meade, MD, the NSA, and gathering names of those people so they can be rounded up? Simply put we can't ever know. You could never run a successful rebellion that is initiate strictly from the Internet. One reason OBL hasn't been caught is that he reverted to human couriers to run info to his subordinates.
Many challenges confront those of us who want to keep the Constitution. It would more than likely take a spontaneous uprising or perhaps a million man march on DC with weapons to send them a message and put them on notice.
Consult Mao's Hundred Flower's Campaign which was designed to allow free speech and ideas only to identify those who were against Mao. He then eliminated them. Wiki is really messed up on this program so be aware.
Many challenges exists for those who want to stay free after the tipping point has been passed and the state has grown so large and powerful that a revolution with a noble prime moving force quickly becomes anarchy as the hoodlums and criminals take advantage of the chaos.
It's a sticky wicket. WE MUST alter the composition of the Congress in the next election in two years. We must take on the left by using their in-your-face tactics and getting every living soul who wants to remain free to the polls.
I think Obama is going to implode over the energy issue. I don't see any viable energy issue in his bag of tricks. If things get tough on that front I think we'll see a change in the representation in Congress.
No offense or insult taken Habu. I do grasp your point very well. Your post #3.1 is what caught my attention to begin with.
Thanks for what you've done. Merry Christmas all.
I hope you are correct, however he has so much support from Congress that one issue is not going to sink his entire agenda. And unfortuneately we now live in a country that is socialist, brought to is by not a left leaning Marxist but Geo. W. Bush who refused to let market forces act a the corrective measure. And I will tell you I have never voted for any candidate other than a Republican, but both parties have fully embraced BIG GOVERNMENT and abandon the free market.
Obama, we are already finding out, simply did what all politicians do; he lied throughout his campaign to get elected and the press simply rolled over. If energy, a long term problem is a tough slog "O" will simply turn to lesser challenges to pile up "victories", and they most likely will be socialist in composition. Polls show that a majority of Americans want BIG GOV now anyway.
Additionally, as a nation we put the brakes on driving so rapidly that the botton fell out of the oil market. Now oil is almost $100 a barrel less than seven months ago and the Saudi's and Russians are hurting. I'm surprised we haven't TARP'ed them.
Each in our own way must resolve what sacrifices we are willing to make if push comes to show with our own government. Spontaneous uprising, local militias, the VFW all moving over a trigger event, For now it is imperitive we ALL VOTE in the mid term election and at leat strenghten a weak rudderless Republican Party in hopes a leader will emerge. They are out there, the Bobby Jindals, but we must have a more credible blocking force in the Senate and the House. However keep your powder dry.
Don't know why one who fears this peril can be forgiven complicity while he or she agknowledges master(s) in Washington.
Americans' have no master this side of of the Heavenly King.
Hussein ain't a master.
Hell, he ain't even a natural born citizen and is unqualified to be President.
I read, that Arnold would like to be, likewise, an unqualified President.
A cynical independent position (one who believes there are three major political parties: R, D, and Insider):
1. Gun control will always be a political pawn. But at least today, extreme positions on gun control is usually political suicide - like prohibition or communism. What keeps things this way is that simple thing called “Rule of Law”. The more weapons are kept from the Seung-Hui Cho’s of the world (including legally shooting him), the better. The more confused the powers that be is perceived to be regarding Rule of Law, the more controversy there will be amongst the masses, and the likelihood of extreme (and irrational) actions taken increases.
2. Support for BIG GOV depends on the times. Good times = less support. It’s the way of things.
3. Conservatism is much more dependant on being Rule of Law competent than Liberalism, because it (theoretically) has much less to work with, less to divert attentions with.
4. Irritating somebody only thickens their skull.
No insult intended and only putting on half my smart-ass, but how do we know you’re not working for the NSA doing the very job you describe? And an ex-company man at that. With all the know-how that you have, perhaps you should lay low until we need you. You’re kind of out there (unless everything you post here is a misdirection) for an undercover guy, aren’t you?
Really, this constant call for bloody revolution gets disturbing over time. I don’t understand how anyone who has seen the pain and destruction of war (especially civil war) can so earnestly and yet so casually call for opening that pandora’s box right here in this country, as you so often do. As long as we have the power to vote, we must do so. As long as we have a platform on which to speak, we must use it effectively AND efficiently. As Commander C. below says, angering people will only thicken their skulls. Mirror images of William Ayers are about as convincing to the voting public as he is.
And while I also am disturbed by the assaults on the first and second amendments, things are still quite a far cry from any situation that can’t be handled through open debate and at the polls. Things were a lot worse in the 70’s and Reagan got the voting public to turn their backs on that trend without all the information tools available today.
It is good you recognise the nature of the problem. You or I could be covert name gatherers. That is the nature of the Internet challenge I pointed out. I learned years ago there's no convincing someone who doesn't believe you that what you say you are is anywhere close to what you really are. So the question of who is looking at who will simply go unresolved.
As for calling for a bloody revolution, I don't believe I've actually said that in the context of our currently working (though at times poorly) government and whether those who have power remain within the constraints of the Constitution. Once they go out of bounds and are perceived to have done so by a large enough portion of the population then I won't need to say a thing, a revolution will simply occur. I mentioned that the Constitution was written in plain language so the common man at the time could understand it...it's taken a succession of Supreme Courts to fill our libraries with interpretations of what it means. And where is it in the Constitution that judicial review is a power at all, much less vested in the Supreme Court?
Additionally as I have stated ad nausea, the Founding Fathers rightly disliked and feared all forms of government, knowing that they eventually stifle individual rights. I thought I was very clear on that point.
As for killing. Some people are willing to put down their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for a noble cause. Count me with them, but he
which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us. Wm. Shakespeare, Henry V
The price of freedom is constant vigilance.
I would also point out that a cllose reading of my posts always point to the ballot box as the tool best utilized, and I believe that, but freedom can be lost in increments at the ballot box. Just take a look at Germany circa 1930's.
But by all means lets get out the vote. But don't sell your gun either.
In any debate it is inevitable that at least one participants skull will thicken. That is not a reason to abandon ones stand on any particular topic.
It simply means that if push comes to shove you choose the big hammer ,not the small one.
Quite right that its not safe to criticize the government on the INTERNET, the safe and proper place to do so is down at the pub over a glass of Sam Adams. Meet ya there.