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Thursday, June 28. 2018Thursday morning linksVacation time. Seems like half of the US is headed for the beaches, lakes, and mountains today for an extra-long 4th getaway from reality and work. From 1920, 10 Things I Would Do If I Were Twenty-One Scientists develop material that could regenerate dental enamel As Insty would say, faster please “Is There a Doctor on the Plane?” Why I Don't 'Dress Up' When I Go to Church Rationalizations for laziness. Of course God doesn't care. There's just the basic issue of respect for events and occasions. Is Cheap Sex Making Men Give Up on Marriage? European High-Speed Rail Also a Huge Boondoggle - A new report finds high costs, and low speeds on Europe's high-speed rail lines California Considers Establishing Its Own Ministry of Truth Good grief, that is sicko New York Times Op-Ed: All Trump Policies Trace Back to 'White Extinction Anxiety' BS on that. The U.S. Is a More Dangerous Country for Women than North Korea, 548 Women’s Rights Experts Concluded MIT hiring admin to expand ‘affirmative action’ efforts What? MIT is diverse as heck, no bias against Asians. Atlantic writer wants Supreme Court to support favored policies, not adhere to Constitution. Problem is, that ain't their job The Left’s Reaction to Justice Kennedy’s Retirement Is Over-the-Top Unhinged New York Times Op-Ed Defends Dem Incivility: Trump Officials Work For a 'Professional Racist'/
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“...labeling a suit as "dressy" is a social construct.”
A very leftist point of view. Dressing for church. Both the essay and the comments were mostly false dichotomies and straw men. All seemed concerned with "what statement should I make to my fellow men," rather than "What do I think God would have me do?" or "What would give least offense to my brethren?"
Least offense, and least distraction. I wouldn't choose anything revealing in the either the mini-skirt or decolletage sense or the yoga-pants-on-big-butt sense. This is an extremely informal beachside community that generally opts for quite casual clothing, though some members will arrive in something spiffy. Sandals, but not flip-flops, that kind of thing. More shirts or blouses than tees. The idea is not to make a big splash of any kind.
Nothing but contradictory excuses. Doesn't wear a suit with weather in the 90's, wears a FLANNEL shirt instead? Still, that's better than a Che t-shirt.
The topic is church, but honestly, modern Americans are the worst slobs ever, as a cohort of people. I see people sitting down in Business Class on an international flight wearing flip flops and cargo shorts, halfway down their butt. What a statement that makes about the individual. No, I'm not impressed by your uber-casual anti-establishment statement - you have to much company to be considered avant-garde, or even original. Face it, you're just a slob who's too lazy to put on a decent shirt.
You are correct. Flip flops and cargo shorts may well be inappropriate for certain situations. I dislike excessive makeup and stupid hairdos. I dislike people taking off their shoes on airlines or anywhere. I especially dislike animals, usually dogs, in stores, busses and restaurants. I don't like the idea that a driver of a car on the highway with me is holding a dog or has one loose in the car with him/her. I do not like the idea that because someone is wearing a suit that they are above me and can look down their patrician nose at me like I am his serf or servant. I wore a suit for 45 years at my job and did not mind a bit, but when I retired I gave my suits and ties to Goodwill and now wear whatever I want to wear and not what someone else thinks I should wear. As Groucho Marx once said "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." Well I refuse to attend any occasion that requires me to wear something I do not want to wear. My go to "dress up" is a pair of slacks and a polo shirt. If that doesn't meet your standards than you need to change your standards. My everyday wear is jeans and a polo shirt or in winter some version of a sweatshirt or fleece sweater. It may not be someone else's idea of "appropriate" for all occasions, but it is incredibly comfortable and adaptable and I prefer common sense to blind obedience. So before you lecture me about my shoeshine or jeans get rid of those dogs in public and please can we all agree that lipstick and body tats are disgusting.
So rightist. In the other thread you promoted jailing people who didn't rise to your level of arbitrary virtue.
How exactly is this level determined, if not by the left's method of majority force? What's stopping you from starting an airline. Call it Virtue and go after Branson's markets... Reason much, unaware authoritarian rightist?
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2018-06-29 09:46
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"Reason much, unaware authoritarian leftist?
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Anon
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2018-06-29 10:11
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Ah, the Leftist Gambit. And conflate as the word du jour. Do carry on, unaware authoritarian rightist, do carry on. I mean, it's your talent.
Speaking of which, I haven't had this much fun with an Ancient Life Expert since Windy graced the place with his voluminous output. Apparently narrow-mindedness really does culminate in knowing everything there is about nothing at all and going on about it accordingly.
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2018-06-29 11:33
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I find it interesting that the author of the piece owns a suit and tie. Presumably he does because there are some occasions where he thinks they are appropriate. Apparently, going to church is not one of them but all this claptrap about dressy/casual/classy/slovenly being a social construct or how the Industrial Revolution democratized clothing is just that - claptrap.
I'm old enough to remember that you got dressed up a bit to go downtown or on a train. When my parents had parties or went to parties, the women wore nice dresses and the men wore suits and ties. My mother never went anywhere without her hat and gloves. Times have changed... but there is still the concept of dressy/casual/slovenly and the fact is that more people feel it is appropriate to be casual or even slovenly in more settings. I prefer to dress up for church. I consider it an expression of respect for that event and its significance. I am one of a few who does that. I wish more did, but I've pretty much gotten over people wearing sandals, shorts, and T shirts to church. At least they are there. I would much rather a full church of people who honestly want to be there wearing whatever they like than an empty church with a few people wearing coats and ties and dresses. I still remember my father putting on a tux and my Mom an evening dress for the Cinerama theater opening night premiere of Ben Hur. Opening night for movies, especially Cinerama, apparently was a big deal.
QUOTE: The 1965 Emily Post book no longer attempted to list specific occasions when black tie was required, offering instead the umbrella provision that “it’s correct on almost every formal occasion”. Such occasions continued to include the opera (particularly in the boxes and orchestra seats) and opening night at the theater. Movie premieres also called for tuxedos according to an article that same year in GQ (the recently launched successor to Apparel Arts) although “many appear, incorrectly, in dark suits (including those who wear a bow tie in the hope of looking evening-suited in a shadowy lobby)." -- "The Black Tie Guide" http://www.blacktieguide.com/History/10-Jet_Age.htm"Lawrence of Arabia" was another big event premiere I remember my parents going to. Dental Enamel: This is quite interesting although the summary doesn't go into the process much. Looks like they use a protein as a kind of binder-primer to initiate mineral deposition. Human tooth enamel is almost the same hardness as sapphire, which is an 8 on the Mohs mineral hardness scale of 1- 10 (diamond is 10). Apatite, on the other hand, is a 5. Even so, it's quite interesting if it's truly a breakthrough. There was nothing said about the prospective source of the minerals to be deposited though, but I guess the body has plenty of Calcium and Phosphorus.
'White Extinction Anxiety'
I would say they just don't get it but in fact I think they do get it and what they are offering up is excuses which excuse their misconduct and blame the victim. The U.S. is being "fundamentally changed" with the clear intention of looting the wealth of the citizens and replacing them with a more pliable and complacent citizenry who will keep the elite in power forever. Many Americans understand what is going on and are understandably resentful. Their taxes keep going up to pay "immigrants" quite handsomely. The cost of illegal aliens is $330 billion or so at the federal level and about an equal amount at the state level. The cost for each of the children separated from an illegal alien caught at the border is about $450 a day. The cost for a "refugee" is about $5000 a month per family and for inexplicable reasons that refugee family never seems to assimilate and begin supporting themselves. The crime rate for illegal aliens is 2-4 times that of American citizens, ditto for "refugees". Some crimes such as rape and sexual assault of children have much higher rates among these groups. The popular left wing meme is if you complain about these inequities or disagree with their agenda you are "racist". Your country is being stolen, your assets are being looted, your culture is being thrown out and outlawed and you are "racist" to even notice what is going on. GoneWithTheWind: The cost of illegal aliens is $330 billion or so at the federal level and about an equal amount at the state level.
That is almost certainly a spurious claim. While you didn't provide a citation, such figures are nearly always slanting data by including the cost of citizen children, but not their contribution once they enter the workforce. National Academy of Sciences, The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, 2017: "On average, individuals in the first generation are more costly to governments, mainly at the state and local levels, than are the native-born generations; however, immigrants’ children—the second generation—are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the population." GoneWithTheWind: for inexplicable reasons that refugee family never seems to assimilate and begin supporting themselves. National Academy of Sciences, The Integration of Immigrants into American Society 2015: "There is evidence that integration is happening as rapidly or faster now than it did for the earlier waves of mainly European immigrants in the 20th century." GoneWithTheWind: The crime rate for illegal aliens is 2-4 times that of American citizens". Landgrave & Nowrasteh, Incarcerated Immigrants in 2016: Their Numbers, Demographics, and Countries of Origin, CATO Institute 2018: “Illegal immigrants are 47 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives." GoneWithTheWind: ditto for "refugees". New American Economy Research, Is there a Link Between Refugees and U.S. Crime Rates? 2017: "Rather than crime increasing, nine out of 10 of the communities actually became considerably more safe, both in terms of their levels of violent and property crime." Shitty low IQ people live in shitholes because shitty low IQ people inevitably turn any place into a shithole. If you move them to a nice place, they won’t change. The place will change. This is a fact (source: all of human history).
In my city, we’re living through the reality of that fact right now. The rich can buy their way out of the problems. Most can’t. You know this is true. We only differ in the fact that you are enraged by the existence of nice places for people who aren’t rich, and I’m not. Zzzz: While you didn't provide a citation...
QUOTE: Sep 27, 2017 · Assuming an illegal alien population of approximately 12.5 million illegal aliens and 4.2 million U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, that amounts to roughly $2,746 per illegal alien, per year. For the sake ... Temporary Assistance for Needy Families: $1,785,000,000 Total: $5,849,236,360 Women Infants and Children: $1,097,820,360 Meals in Schools: $1,003,000,000 https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers As usual, kiddiez, you're full of shit. Back to your sandbox... What country do you live in, Zach? You obviously have no clue what it is like living with illegal aliens in terms of crime and other problems. Somewhat at a distance, since I no longer live there, I have watched the gangs take over California, and even rural communities that once were safe are now riddled with gangs and drugs and violence has skyrocketed. Much of the once great recreational areas I used to hike in are now unsafe because of the likelihood you are going to run into Mexican growers and their dope plots.
Jim: I have watched the gangs take over California, and even rural communities that once were safe are now riddled with gangs and drugs and violence has skyrocketed.
An Anecdote Is Not Data. "An Anecdote Is Not Data."
i.e. don't believe your lying eyes. Interestingly all of the "data" you cited so carefully is fake. Made up by the left to use to continue their agenda. Their hope is that the low information voter will believe what they are told. Fake news, fake data and fake patriotism = Leftwing politics.
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2018-06-28 17:29
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Z: "An Anecdote Is Not Data."
Really? https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/us/california-illegal-marijuana-federal-lands/index.html https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Napa-Wrestles-With-Increased-Gang-Violence-2977507.php Those poor little innocent "immigrants" are not so innocent, despite Fake Media accounts: http://abc7news.com/society/napa-family-devastated-after-ice-arrests-father/3140321/ "EDITOR'S NOTE: Since the arrest, ABC7 News has learned that the man referenced in this story was later identified as Armando Nunez-Salgado, a documented Sureno gang member who was removed by ICE four times and has several previous criminal convictions. At the time of his arrest, his family told ABC7 News that he did nothing wrong as documented in the story above." There needs to be zero tolerance. Anyone who is in this country ILLEGALLY needs to get OUT or be thrown OUT.
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2018-06-28 20:25
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Jim: Really?
Really.
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The U.S. Is a More Dangerous Country for Women than North Korea... Is that why so many U.S. women are sneaking across the Bridge of No Return and seeking asylum in N. Korea? Or do I have my hemispheres (and nationalities) mixed up?
Digging deeper into that article, the US did not score on many of the categories. Those polled put us in in the 10th spot solely on the basis of two categories: sexual violence, where we were ranked 3rd-worst in the world, and non-sexual violence, where we were ranked 6th-worst. This is clearly insane, but I think it also tells us something about those answering the question. It means they do not know what happens to women in other countries. As this information is not only available, but is proclaimed in many places, we can conclude that they know this information, but have rapidly forgotten it many times. The usual reason that people repeatedly forget the suffering of others is self-centeredness.
They are not in danger in those other countries, they are only in danger here, because they live here. Therefore, there is no real danger in those other countries. The women who actually are in danger somehow don't count. Only they and their friends count. Viewed this way, it is a pretty chilling narcissism. "The U.S. Is a More Dangerous Country for Women than North Korea." I don't doubt this on personal safety. South Korea and Japan are also far safer countries for women than the United States. (The exception would be pervert gropers on the subways in Tokyo during rush hour.) Women can walk alone day or night in Japan and South Korea without fear of being molested or attacked. The culture is totally different. One of the things I remember being amazed by years ago was a documentary about a teenage Japanese girl, in traditional attire, doing a Buddhist pilgrimage by herself on foot to visit the famous temples in Japan, walking from temple to temple along roads and highways. As interesting as it was, there was absolutely no intimation in the documentary that it could be dangerous for a teenage girl to do this.
Unfortunately, much of Asia considers the U.S. to be a dangerous and violent country because of its tolerance of and failure to punish crime. I think that is an accurate read as to the urban areas of America. I think it is dangerous also and have little desire to visit American cities--I have had too many bad experiences and you always have to be on your guard. I would much rather go to Seoul or Tokyo to experience the Big City, where you feel safe. There is a segment or segments of our population which commit most of the crime. In those cities where those segments live in large numbers crime is rampant. The mostly European descendants living in America have a very low crime rate, lower than Canada and any European country. Most Americans know this, know that you can't walk in East St. Louis anytime or St. Louis or Baltimore after 8 PM and stay away from these dangerous places. Still we are all painted with the same broad brush by people in other countries because this subject is taboo. You cannot simply talk about it in public or on the news cast. If a "bunch of teens" rampage through the mall and cause property damage and beat up the occasional little old white lady the news will dutifully report it as a "bunch of teens" but we all know who they mean. If someone gets shot in Baltimore or Chicago at 2 AM at the 7-11 we all know who did it. But the fairy tale is that it one identifiable group who commits these crimes it is just a "bunch of teens" or a "man from Baltimore".
Is Cheap Sex Making Men Give Up on Marriage?
NO! It's the "cheap" women available in the US, whose value as mates has been severely degraded by feminism and Divorce,Inc., that is driving men to MGTOW! Happens when you let women's true sexual nature and hypergamy reign unchecked. The C**k (or Carpet) Carousel became of primary concern due to birth control and abortions (hetero) and fun and orgasms for lesbo-inclined; and thus they became more important and "liberating" for women in their most fertile years than the traditional family. All a result of believing than women are simply men without dicks and testes, thereby ignoring the realities of biology and evolution. Feminism = the ultimate in anti-Science!!! Just an FYI, they sent in DHS (department of homeland security) cops today to break up the Portland camp. There were some arrests.
I don't think cheap (or easy) sex is the issue. From the article and its comments:
I think enough men have seen what marriage does to the older guys in their family and friend circles to know that antiquated marriage laws (and new ones) put the responsibility of the actual marriage legally more on men. Sex may be "cheap," but marriage is not. ...it's far more likely that among the relevant factors, young women's attitudes toward men and the deterioration of the marital bargain from a man's perspective are more important drivers. How is it manning up to open yourself to being divorce raped? No thanks. The majority of women aren't worth the work, or the risk. ...men have caught on to...the divorce game which results in cash and prizes for women and a real financial and emotional fisting for men. All I can add is "Y-y-y-u-u-u-u-p" because B48 said the rest above. Gene and B48, You can't say all women are a certain way, because there are quite a few good ones! I'm sorry that your experience led to a cynical and negative view of women and marriage. I feel badly for the many men in my cohort who never married. They have a good time for a few decades, but at some point realize that they missed out on having children and family and they're lonely. I wish we could get back to the good old days when family and marriage were encouraged, because it takes effort but it's worth it.
Ended up finally finding the right woman at 37. Been married for 25 years now, with a son that's about to go into a friggin' doctoral program. (And for a guy who barely graduated HS mumbly decades ago, that's pretty damn sweet.)
The right women are out there. But they're not in bars or dance clubs. They're also not lining up to become intimate with men who evaluate sex in terms of its price tag.
re the statism poster
I was in college the first time someone presented that line of thinking to me. I was watching a friend write a check for his tuition and fees for the next semester. In the fees there was an optional box you could check to contribute money to a fund for 'disadvantaged' students. The program had been started in the late 60s and was well supported for a semester or two but then it went into a steady decline. By the mid 70s it was only collecting a small percentage of the revenue it once garnered. My friend checked the box and donated to the fund. I was surprised, and asked if he really thought it was worth while. He replied, "Yes I do, and it angers me that the program is so poorly supported by our fellow students. I think the program should be mandatory and all students should be forced to pay into this fund. I was taken aback by his reply. It was the first time I had ever heard someone seriously say something like that. It was indeed a learning moment. In keeping with the idea that good ideas don't generally require government force to implement, P J O'Rourke had an observation regarding government subsidies to the effect that, since most people are smart enough to do what's in their own best interest, any time the government's paying you to do something you otherwise wouldn't do it's a good bet they're paying you to do something stupid. I also have a brother and a couple nephews who drive trucks so I'm aware of the proposed standards for trucks and how the government's insisting the new standards are designed to save trucking companies lots of money - I'm pretty sure truckers aren't that stupid or lazy that they'll see an opportunity to save money and say "nah, I don't want to save money, I'll just let my competitors pick up that free money".
For those of you traveling overseas, I have found the updated baggage size reference chart for you. The international carriers are getting stricter on what they allow as a carry on.
Check here: https://www.gate8-luggage.co.uk/hand-luggage-restrictions-for-airlines California clearly needs a Ministry of Truth. Truth is most exceptionally hard to come by there. Minitru will make it nearly impossible to come by.
NYT Op-Ed: It's all lies down to the core of the earth. Excellent essay
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/06/28/affirming-disadvantage/ Affirmative action |