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The article argues that Lincoln was politically progressive, not a Democrat, and lists several important and expansive federal programs that support the case; transcontinental railroad, national parks, homesteading, not to mention extending the franchise and legal equality.

#1 Zachriel on 2015-04-14 07:34 (Reply)

Ha! Ha! Ha! That's pretty funny!

#1.1 mudbug on 2015-04-14 09:19 (Reply)

Why does The Left feel the need to make Abraham Lincoln one of them?

There is no doubt they have been trying to rewrite history to at least make Lincoln an honorary Democrat while at the same time ignoring their own party's opposition to him and the fact that it was a Democrat that assassinated Lincoln.

But then again, that's what the Left is good at, cherry picking facts to support their cause while ignoring the ones that don't.

#1.2 feeblemind on 2015-04-14 12:17 (Reply)

Come on, Feeble! The fact that Lincoln was a Republican and that the Republican party was founded for the purpose of ending slavery is a wrinkle in their narrative that Republicans are racist. If they can either make Lincoln a demoncrat or try to obfuscate that, it puts a nice cap on their lie.

Never underestimate the ability of the demoncrat part to lie about everything - even itself (well, it HAS to lie about itself). Check out this page from the official demoncrat party website on their history (http://www.democrats.org/about/our_history):

QUOTE:

For more than 200 years, our party has led the fight for civil rights, health care, Social Security, workers' rights, and women's rights. We are the party of Barack Obama, John F. Kennedy, FDR, and the countless everyday Americans who work each day to build a more perfect union. Take a look at some of our accomplishments, and you'll see why we're proud to be Democrats.

I guess their version of civil rights includes slavery, Jim Crow, and Japanese Internment Camps. And what about their wonderful PROGRESSIVE president, Woodrow Wilson who watched The Birth of a Nation about the KKK in the White House and who was against Women's Sufferage.

#1.2.1 mudbug on 2015-04-14 12:53 (Reply)

mudbug: And what about their wonderful PROGRESSIVE president, Woodrow Wilson ... who was against Women's Sufferage.

Wilson: “We have made partners of the women in this war… Shall we admit them only to a partnership of suffering and sacrifice and toil and not to a partnership of privilege and right?”

#1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-04-14 18:09 (Reply)

Wilson was a progressive and a staunch racist. So much for "equality". Margaret Sanger was a progressive and is celebrated by progressives today. She espoused abortion to get rid of the less desirable people. Some pithy quotes from her:

QUOTE:

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

Equality anyone?

As for Women's Sufferage, Wilson eventually came around but he was no fan of the National Women's Party [from Wikipedia]:

QUOTE:

In January 1917, the NWP stationed pickets at the White House, which had never before been picketed, with banners demanding women's suffrage. Tension escalated in June as a Russian delegation drove up to the White House and NPW members unfurled a banner that read, "We, the women of America, tell you that America is not a democracy. Twenty million American women are denied the right to vote. President Wilson is the chief opponent of their national enfranchisement. In August another banner referred to "Kaiser Wilson" and compared the plight of the German people with that of American women.".

The Women's Sufferage Amendment was only able to pass after the Republicans gained large majorities in the House and Senate. The House of Representatives passed the 19th Amendment in May 1919 it did so by 304 votes to 89, with Democrats only 104 to 70 in favour but Republicans 200 to 19. In the Senate, Democrats were in favour only by 20 to 17 but the GOP voted for it by 36 to 8.

Care to comment on the lie the demoncrats are telling about their 200 year struggle for civil rights?

The political left only talks about equality but for the most part, they and their politicians are busy telling people that they can't do things on their own and that they need them. They enjoy taking money from those who earned it to give to those who didn't and they conspire to pit the government against those with whom they disagree. I guess some people are more equal than others.

#1.2.1.1.1 mudbug on 2015-04-14 20:01 (Reply)

mudbug: Wilson was a progressive and a staunch racist.

Lincoln was a racist by modern standards too.

mudbug: Margaret Sanger was a progressive and is celebrated by progressives today.

Most of your points are out of context quotes. You might want to check original sources to get a better picture of Sanger and her beliefs.

mudbug: As for Women's Sufferage, Wilson eventually came around

Which is what we had indicated.

#1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-04-15 08:23 (Reply)

Don't be stupid. Wilson was a racist compared to Lincoln.

More children from the fit and less from the unfit. I wonder what that means...

Of course it wasn't just Wilson, but the rest of the demoncrats who were opposed to women's suffrage. Republicans repeatedly brought it up only to get shot down by demoncrats. Wilson came around when he had no choice. He also only really supported it as a war measure, not an equality measure.

#1.2.1.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2015-04-15 09:58 (Reply)

mudbug: Of course it wasn't just Wilson, but the rest of the demoncrats who were opposed to women's suffrage.

That's obviously not the case, or women's suffrage never would have made it into the constitution. However, there was more support within the Republican Party, which had a strong progressive wing at that period of history.

#1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-04-15 12:54 (Reply)

feeblemind: Why does The Left feel the need to make Abraham Lincoln one of them?

Because Lincoln was to the political left, meaning promoting great equality. Furthermore, he was a progressive, meaning using the government to reform society.

#1.2.2 Zachriel on 2015-04-14 18:07 (Reply)

holy shit, your fantasies are pathetic.

Wilson was among the worst presidents this country has ever known, his lies to the public resulted in 50,000 American war dead, his record on jim crow and race relations is appalling, his Espionage and Sedition Acts set civil rights back 100 years. Not only did he get the US into WW1 by lies, he invaded Mexico and Russia (twice), and occupied the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Haiti and Nicaragua.

your own party declared slavery a "positive good" and dismantled Reconstruction, started the KKK and kept Jim Crow alive.

Come to think of it, that is what progressives do.

only LBJ managed to kill more Americans with damnable lies. At least FDR was merely incompetent.

if the demoncrap party had been tried at Nuremberg, it would have been condemned as a criminal organization and its leadership hanged and fed to dogs.

#1.2.2.1 The Poetry of Violence on 2015-04-15 05:01 (Reply)

The Poetry of Violence: holy shit, your fantasies are pathetic. Wilson was among the worst presidents this country has ever known

You're replying to a comment about Lincoln.

As for Wilson, he supported racial segregation and women's suffrage, so his record is uneven at best.

#1.2.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-04-15 08:19 (Reply)

I'm replying to you. Your fantasies are pathetic dog vomit.

#1.2.2.1.1.1 The Poetry of Violence on 2015-04-15 12:03 (Reply)

"Where Were You When You Heard the News About Hillay"
What news?

#2 Dorf on 2015-04-14 09:04 (Reply)

The Hildabeest

QUOTE:

When I heard the news … it was so unexpected that at first I thought it was a joke. I pinched myself over and over–and then I allowed myself to believe. To fall in love. I fell in love with her courage, her sincerity, and her flaming self respect.

holy shi'ite! do these people actually exist?

I was having a Bowmore 30 year with a single cube when I heard about her coronation. So I went out to help the illegals I'd hired to fix a busted sewer line just to feel cleaner.

#3 The Poetry of Violence on 2015-04-14 09:55 (Reply)

"...self respect" is not something I'd use to follow "flaming",
regarding Hillary!

#3.1 Sam L. on 2015-04-14 12:38 (Reply)

There was some really good acid floating around in the 70's or maybe the same entity that writes time share radio ads wrote the lines.

#3.2 walt moffett on 2015-04-14 14:25 (Reply)

mo' 'Beest

QUOTE:

"If Hillary stays healthy and runs, I'm with her, all the way. .... Damn, that woman is a Great American, there are no two ways about it!

RUN, HILLARY, RUN

a front bumper sticker

#4 The Poetry of Violence on 2015-04-14 10:02 (Reply)

"New York Times Determined to Prove Abe Lincoln Was Really a Democrat"

This is a tired old trick of the left. They search for anything that someone else has done that they can attach themselves to to steal the valor. When Lincoln was elected the Democrats were slave owners and pro-slave. When Lincoln was killed the Democrats formed the KKK. That is the proud Democrat heritage and THAT is why they must steal someone else's valor.

#5 GoneWithTheWind on 2015-04-14 10:04 (Reply)

"How Blue NYC is Strangling Itself"
"Why do New York’s projects cost so much? Disturbingly, no one actually knows."

Everyone knows! It's the unions, period.

"Gov. Cuomo out of the blue announced a dubious LaGuardia airtrain nobody was asking for"

The unions asked for it. That is the deal that Democrats made to get the union vote, support and money. They willcontinue to rob the treasury and give it to the unions for their cut. After the airtrain their will be high speed rail etc.

#6 GoneWithTheWind on 2015-04-14 10:09 (Reply)

Unions, both government and non-government, are part and parcel of his last two paragraphs. Slow-motion suicide by and of the parasites.

#6.1 Sam L. on 2015-04-14 12:47 (Reply)

I am sorry to say that Ontario has now signed on to “Cap & Trade.”

The premiere and her cronies mean to do good, but they are naive chumps who could not tell you the first thing about climate change, yet believe or more importantly want to believe that it is real.

What is even more sad is that it will not reduce C02 emmissions. You now just have to pay them to emit C02. Now most Ontarians think this will not involve them. That it is industry that will pay. However, it will add 3 or 4 cents a litre about (15 cents a gallon) to gas prices plus add to inflation.
Industry will likey not leave to avoid it but fewer will set up shop here as a result. The general population today is indifferent. However, sheep rarely complain when they are sheared.

So this is a warning to you Yanks. All they need is enough consensus of the indifferent to pass the laws to rob you.
The world’s problems are not mostly caused by evil doers, but do-gooders that mean to do well, but leave a wake of misery in their path.

I am ashamed to be an Ontarian today.

Here is the link that explains the heist:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ontario-adopts-cap-and-trade-system-to-reduce-greenhouse-gases-1.3030996

#7 Phil Taylor (Link) on 2015-04-14 12:29 (Reply)

Leftist Labour Leader--sounds just like our Progessives.

#8 Sam L. on 2015-04-14 12:50 (Reply)

The victors in WW2 and Cold War will never be forgiven, not even after their nations are destroyed, their peoples humiliated, their prosperity ruined, and their liberty abandoned.

#8.1 ErisGuy on 2015-04-14 13:10 (Reply)

Moralistic Therapeutic Deism

the Nicene Creed is what we orthodox Christians believe. MTD is just another way to wrench your arm patting your own back.

#9 The Poetry of Violence on 2015-04-14 12:56 (Reply)

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