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Tuesday, September 13. 2011Election 2012: 4th debate wrap-up
Before the show, CNN ran a video special on the Tea Party. It was about two minutes long. And they didn't refer to them as "terrorists" even once! When you 'start off on the right foot' like that, you know the evening's going to go well.
The intro was pretty corny. Rather than just have the candidates walk onto the stage all at once, they introduced them one by one like baseball players at an All Star game. Batting third for the Boston Red Sox, catcher 'Mitt' Romney! It gave the audience a chance to pre-judge the candidates on the Applause-O-Meter. Er, this isn't supposed to be a popularity contest, CNN. P.S. Cain won. Uh-oh. I just caught Rick Perry in a big fat lie. He just said Obama's $800 billion stimulus plan created "zero jobs", but I've heard from reliable sources that it created forty-four jobs. It's typical of a politician to bend the facts like that for his own evil gain, isn't it? Forty-four is a lot more than zero. Anybody can see that. Michele is looking really — dare I say it? — really hot tonight. Not Sarah Palin hot, mind you, but still hot. It looks like she changed make-up artists. She really needs to wear higher heels, though. About another ten inches would do it. Man, she's short. Naturally, they put her right next to Romney, the tallest guy on the stage.
I quickly hit the mute button. I flipped the sound back on just as host Wolf Blitzer yelled, "Play ball!"
Hot. I can't decide which idea is more insane — letting the states take over Social Security, or allowing young people to make their own Social Security financial decisions. I mean, over the long haul, states have an absolutely abysmal track record when it comes to handling their own finances (see appendix E, "California, Illinois and New Jersey, 2011"), whereas jumping to the wild conclusion that 30-year-olds will suddenly become financially responsible simply staggers the mind. So it's a real puzzler. It's hard to read between the lines, but it appears that Bachmann, Santorum and Paul are all in favor of children contracting measles, mumps and chicken pox. Polio, too, if I'm reading this right. That is, they seem to be decidedly against childhood vaccinations. Or, maybe it's just certain vaccinations they're against. Ones that, perhaps, present an opportunity where they can use the heart-wrenching phrase "killing little girls" over and over again. A vaccine that, perhaps, a certain Texan governor endorsed. It was a little hard to tell just which vaccines they were for or against, what with the foam and spittle flying. Bachmann, however, "pulled a Perry" at one point by resorting to extremist rhetoric when she called the HPV vaccine "dangerous". She said this of an FDA-approved drug. So, to sum things up so far, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke should be hanged for treason, Social Security is illegal, and the FDA is corrupt. Not bad for a day's work. At the one-hour mark, they finally let economics and the Fed drop and moved on to the nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat topic of... health care. "Thank god for coffee," was my first thought.
Herman Cain was asked whether or not Social Security is a "Ponzi Scheme" and promptly replied, "I don't care what you call it — it's broken!" First big laugh-applause of the evening. News Flash: Jon Huntsman just used the word "entitlements"! This breakthrough in televised debate history is sure to go down in the books as unprecedented. I wasn't hopeful that one of the candidates was going to note that focusing on Social Security and Medicare is distracting people from the real places where funds could be cut, but 'big thinker' Newt nailed it. People like talking about these two because they're known and handy, but they're ultimately a distraction. If I were a Dem strategist, I'd be pushing the right wing to yak and talk and criticize SS and Medicare to death. Anything but turn their attention to the real (pet project) programs that could easily be dealt with. Did you see 'Lord of the Rings'? Remember how they had to distract the Dark Lord from the ring bearer as he made his way through the Swamps of Sadness and-, oh, never mind. Somewhat surprisingly, one of the biggest bursts of applause in the middle of someone's answer was when Paul was listing out the (innumerable, incalculable) areas of government waste and uselessness that could be slashed and mentioned the Department of Education in passing. Big burst of applause. It surprised me that the audience would be that astute, but it was a Tea Party event, after all. Along the same lines, the audience let out a big clap when Romney said the NRLB should be put in its place. It was cool of the audience to be up on the Boeing story. If someone came along and called it the biggest outrage in America today, I wouldn't argue the point. When Paul goes off on one of his "Let's stop the military spending NOW!' rants, one thing he mentioned tonight might be kept in mind: We spent one billion dollars building a mosque in Baghdad. So, he kind of has a point. I'm surprised at Ron Paul's choice in speech coaches. Whoever he is, he's doing a terrible job. He should hook up small shocking electrodes to certain delicate parts of Ron's body and then have him answer simulated debate questions, sending a sharp jolt down the wires every time his voice rises another octave. This type of learning technique can be very effective, and time is running short. If there's one thing that keeps Paul from looking and sounding presidential, it's his rising voice as he gets excited.
Sorry. Just thinking out loud. Oops. Well, so much for Ron Paul's chances for the presidency. Good try, though. But that little thing on his web site last Sunday claiming we were responsible for 9/11 just didn't go over very well. That scoundrel and rabble-rouser Rick Santorum brought it up. Good tactic, Rick. One less opponent to worry about. They're going to the last commercial break. And what fiery, burning subject will they tackle last? What final rousing speech will each candidate give as this event goes into the history books? Wait — they just announced it. They're going to discuss... White House décor. That is, what they'd bring to the White House, like a horseshoe pit or vegetable garden. Some of them just pandered, like Paul saying something like "A basketful of common sense!", whereas bike rider of 40 years Jon Huntsman said he'd be bringing along his hog and trail bike. But, winning the audience's heart over for the eleventeenth time during these debates, Herman Cain said, "A sense of humor!" (big laughter and applause) "This country is too uptight and needs to loosen up!" Something like that. As I said in the first debate wrap-up, he and Newt have a great 'just one of the guys' feel about them. None of the other candidates even come close. In summation, no question that again Romney looked the 'most presidential'. He's really got the mannerisms down pat. Carriage, posture, voice, bearing, the poker face when being asked a question — and then suddenly being the nicest guy in the room when asked what he'd bring to the White House and responding 'the most wonderful part of my life, my wife.' What a nice young man, grandmothers throughout the land thought at that moment. Perry held his own, and will still be at the top of the polls, but I can already predict what some of the critics might say. One of the biggest accusations is that he 'isn't ready for the national stage', and 'what works for a state won't work for a country', and his constant reference to "what I did while governor of Texas" is starting to wear a little thin. He's sounding too 'state-oriented' for a national post. Huntsman is also guilty of this. For some bizarre reason, he thinks squeezing the word 'Utah' into every answer is actually a positive. I thought Bachmann performed very well. She actually raised her voice a few times, the first time she's done that. I suppose a better way to put it is that she finally came across as impassioned. Full of conviction. People needed to see that. If she were actually elected, I think she could carry it off with aplomb. There's a lot of backbone there. I'm sure it went unnoticed, but Newt Gingrich answered every single question handed him in a 'big picture' sort of way. He was asked the Ponzi Scheme question and dismissed it outright, noting that what this country needs is a shitload of jobs, all of which will dump a ton of money into the Social Security coffers and eliminate any immediate problem. While everybody else is talking about banal definitions, Newt isn't even talking about the subject. If the question is, "Who sounded the most presidential?", I'd hand it to Romney first, Huntsman second, with Bachmann bringing up a close third. But if the question is, "Who answered the questions from the most presidential viewpoint?", Newt wins hands down. I said earlier that I was thinking of skipping the next debate, but this is starting to get interesting on a number of levels, not least of which is the re-vamped Michele Bachmann. Perry/Cain 2012?
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There is always more to the story than we know immediately.
Was Lusitania an armed merchant cruiser? Yes. Was the German U-Boat captain responsible for her sinking? Yes. Was the war cargo she carried a legitimate reason for sinking her? Yes. Did the repressive policies after WW I enable Hitler to rise to power? Yes. Was Hitler responsible for his actions starting WW II? Yes. Did the various allied powers in charge then help stir the pot? Yes Did the US ban on raw materials to Japan push the Japanese toward Pearl Harbor? Yes. Were the Japanese responsible for the attack? Yes. Did the US cruiser and destroyer sorties into Japanese home harbors and waters in 1940 make the Japanese even more willing to attack? Yes. Has US policy incited some Muslims? Yes. Were the 9-11 attackers responsible for their actions. Yes. Is there more to the story? Yes. There is always more to the story than we know. Paul is not off base as far as you would think. I don't really like your comment. Yes. When you compartmentalize an evil monster like Hitler to squeeze into your libertarian/Paulian argument to allegedly make your case you're way off the reservation. My observation of the Paulites is that for every bright eyed college student there are two or three 9/11 truthers and a couple Alex Jones lunatics drooling in the background. Which one are you?
If Dave would change every "Yes" to "Gosh, that's a toughie! There are so many gray areas!", I'd agree with every point he made.
If there is one thing you can always count on with Ron Paul followers is that there is always more to the story - wink, wink - nudge, nudge....
US cruiser and destroyer sorties into Japanese home harbors and waters in 1940
Say what? To the best of my knowledge the only provocative act by the US government in 1940 was moving the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Which I believe was NOT Japanese, not counting dockworkers. Did the US ban on raw materials to Japan push the Japanese toward Pearl Harbor? Yes.
Love your lack of context. Yes we were either actively engaged in an oil embargo or in the process of setting one up in RESPONSE to horrific Japanese aggression against our Asian allies. See the difference there Dave? Missed the debate due to visitors, but read this article today.
http://brucekrasting.blogspot.com/2011/09/social-security-ponzi-i-think-so.html#links The only part "missing" is "intent to defraud". Now, I know I'm crazy, but I do believe that the one thing government does regularly is to have an intent to defraud. I mean, the basis of tax collection is essentially coercion. Government, as an institution, did develop from an original form of kleptocracy (has it ever really changed?). So, while SocSec on its own doesn't "intend to defraud", its minders certainly do. Cain's right - it is broken. There are ways to fix it. None of them have been discussed. The key is making sure whatever money is set aside by an individual is set aside FOR that individual, with interest. To reach that point, some actuarial and amortization work will have to be done to "keep the promise" with existing retirees who already put into the system. So, for one or two generations, workers would put in more than they'd get out. But eventually it would be self funding. Also, take it OUT of the budget. It should be a separate fund altogether. Using SS surpluses to "fund" deficits is misleading and wrong. More to the point? Make 401(k)s opt out. That would do wonders for retirees in the future. The New England Patriots played the Miami Dolphins last night, but I really wanted to follow the debate - so I did the next best thing - followed the debate on Twitter.
Turns out that Twitter is almost like having a real time blow-by-blow old time radio baseball game broadcast. Some of the best commentary you can put into 140 characters - very informative, short and pithy. You can pretty much see what's happening on stage - most excellent. Some of the best comments: "Potential new Ron Paul "blowback" theory: We're too capitalistic." "Perry needs to step up his game; Romney helped by 2nd-tier." "New strategy for Huntsman: convince 8-10 million cable talking heads and newspaper style section editors to register Republican." "Participants must have 2% poll support to be invited a CNN debate. Then why is CNN there?" "Instead of being angry at him, we should ask ourselves what did we do to cause Ron Paul." "Nearly half of voters wrongly think that Mormons either "definitely" or "probably" practice polygamy." "This is so overblown. There reason he had to issue a mandate is so insurance would cover the vaccine." "As mentioned in the debate, she refers to "working for the IRS" as "having a foot in the private sector." "Man, I'll never forget that first tea party I went to. We all went out there with our "No gardisil!" signs and "Vaccinate this!" "Speaking of crony capitalism, did any of Palin's donors or friends get contracts for that sports complex she did that bankrupted her town?" "I KNOW Sarah Palin knows what an"opt-out" is. I mean, she took one as Governor of Alaska, right?" "Oh, gag. Another GOP debate gives rise to Christie wishcasting from the usual suspects." "I'm really digging Palin... Pretend candidacies are more interesting than real ones." "Ron Paul's 1999 property taxes: Eight silver dimes. 2011 property taxes: 11 silver dimes. Rating: Three Pinocchios." "My Big Thought about Romney '12 remains the same: He's the mirror image of Kerry '04. No base enthusiasm; all "we think he's presentable." "What i learned: Rick Perry hates little girls." "So, after that answer we never have to hear from Ron Paul ever again, right. Or the Ronulans." "Shorter Perry on foreign policy: If there ain't no Texas analogy, I got nothin to say." "Paul appears to be on meth, Huntsman is on pot." "Ron Paul's hatred of Israel really came out in that answer. He tried to backtrack, but we know where he stands" "Ron Paul trying to blame pro-Israel policy for 9/11. What a piece of crap" And there were many many more from both sides Left and Right - who needs to watch the debate when you get real time commentary like this? Fascinating as Spock would say. Oh, and my favorite comment of the evening: "I am, in fact, ready for some football" "Participants must have 2% poll support to be invited to a CNN debate. Then why is CNN there?"
Bwah-hah! Best line of the bunch, and there were some dandies. Thanks for sharing. By the way, I know it's kind of a wild, crazy idea, but you really ought to think about doing some of that "blogging" stuff we read so much about. This would make a great post. Thank you, but I like being a "sniper" and just commenting whenever I feel the need to make a fool out of myself. And much like the Mrs. says "must you have an opinion on everything?" to which I answer, yes - yes I do. And my opinions are tolerated here. Barely. :>)
Besides, I could never get that Wordpress thingy to work on my Lunarpages server - and no, I'm not switching from Lunarpages - I've been with them since like forever. This Wordpress thing is the only problem I've ever had. "And my opinions are tolerated here. Barely."
On top of that, the National Handicapped and Disabilities Act protects you and your kind from harsh rhetoric and unkind thoughts, so I'd say you're well protected at this point. Of course, they said the same thing about the dodo bird and passenger pigeon. And what does WordPress have to do with blogging on Maggie's? I didn't mean do some of that "blogging" stuff on your own site. Perish the thought. Unleash a Cap'n Tom blog site on an innocent and unsuspecting public? Even you wouldn't sink that low. Best guess is that the reason WordPress doesn't work on Lunarpages is because they haven't updated their PHP module in fifteen years. They don't want PHP sites on their servers because it opens up a whole new world of security breach and they'd have to spend a bucketful of money addressing it, not to mention upgrading ($$$) their entire servers (not just add hard drive space) so the CPUs could accomodate the PHP dialogue. If you ever actually want to open a for-real blog site, quit fucking around, go here and just follow the dang directions. RE: PHP - that's a good point and one I didn't consider.
Hmm...food for thought.
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An entertaining read, Doc. A couple of thoughts:
I like Cain's answer to the Ponzi scheme question. This question is the media's version of two little boys with a couple of insects caught in a jar, where one boy says to the other, "Shake the jar and see if they'll fight!" It's the whole point of the question, to see if the repubs will fight each other (to the media's immense enjoyment). As for Perry and Social Security, it looks like you are right. If this is a fair poll, his remarks are hurting him. One wonders how the media's interpretation of his remarks has influenced this as well. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/09/americans-strongly-disagree-with-the-statements-rick-perry-made-about-social-security-in-last-weeks-republican-presidential-d.html feebs -
"One wonders how the media's interpretation of his remarks has influenced this as well." From what I've seen, it's been about 3-to-1 when it comes to articles supporting Perry, claiming it IS a Ponzi Scheme. I cite two articles just this morning in some radical right-wing site I dropped by called "Baggie's Barn", or something like that. So, if anything, the media has been supporting him -- and yet there were the numbers in the fairly-damning article. You wrote:
"Bachmann, however, "pulled a Perry" at one point by resorting to extremist rhetoric when she called the HPV vaccine "dangerous". She said this of an FDA-approved drug." Vaccines are safe unless you happened to be one of the 1/2 to 1% who has a side effect, depending on the severity of the side effect, of course. Some evidence now suggests that 2 vaccinations for HPV has the same effect as 3. Veterinarians are discovering that dogs and cats have been over vaccinated. Such over vaccination has lead to a marked incidence in certain types of cancer. My dogs get titers every year and some of them have gone 8 years without needing to be revaccinated with a recommended YEARLY vaccine. Perhaps doing titers on children would be "safer" course of action than just blindly continuing the current recommend vaccine schedule. I was watching the Pats. How did McCotter and Gary Johnson do? Trying to decide which I like better.
Who? :>)
Neither was there - you needed 2% of the vote total to get onstage. My favorite candidate, Jimmy McMillan of The Rent Is Too Damn High Party was absent as well. That guy has it going on. :>) But John Huntsman was there. I suppose he promised to say things CNN folks want to hear.
Well, I had it right, but kinda wrong too. It works on polling numbers - you have to score at least 2% on one major poll to be included in the debate. Huntsman just barely got in because of a WSJ/NBC poll which had him at 2% - every other poll has him at 1%.
Love Dr. Merc's comments. I watched for about an hour and was glad I didn't go see it in person 10 miles down the road here in Tampa. The whole concept is silly, handling large important issues in ONE minute???!!!! Everyone has solutions of course but there is no time to hear why that have those solutions or what there line of thinking.
I am neither a libertarian nor a Paulian. I am tired of political business as usual and I am tired of American blood being spilled for reasons other than national security.
In 1940 we ran cruisers and destroyers into Japanese waters including harbors and inland waters. The intent was to provoke the Japanese into a hostile act. This was just like a draw play in football and the result was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor which put us into the Pacific War in spades. FDR wanted a war and he did everything he could to get us into it. There is no wink wink here for the rest of the story. If you visit or live the Middle East and talk with some of the working guys there they will tell you that our policies really provide the fuel that the Mullas use to incite young men to violence. Our ruling class want to keep the war going because they need that violence to scare Americans. Grant at Number 9 is correct. These debates don't give sufficient time needed for serious issues. The debates placate us peons and make for good headlines. Dr Mercury the areas I posted aren't gray they are facts. Unless there is a great breach of security it takes years to get the truth about starting wars out into the open. Wikileaks stepped on toes and is showing us some interesting facts in close to real time. (Also Dr Mercury, there is no reason for Social Security at all regardless of who runs it. Until Americans were forced to pay the SS tax and got used to the handout, it was shunned by working guys. The military was not taxed for SS until in the 60s when more paying people were needed to bolster the great society.) Bill at 1.1, Hitler was raised to power because of the harsh measures pressed on Germany after WW I. He promised food on the table and an end to the war payments. That's not compartmentalizing him, that's how the old fashioned history books recorded the events. The war payments were excessive and even though they were reduced they were still too much for Germany and boosted Hitler to the forefront. Perhaps one of you guys who are smarter than I am can tell me why so many of American GIs (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard) support Ron Paul's foreign policy statements? Why do GIs support Paul? Maybe it's because they are on the pointy end of the spear and see firsthand American policy and the unintended consequences of that policy. I am tired of spending blood for the War of the Month. Paul is the only candidate who will defend American, including preemptive strikes if necessary, without continuing our subscription to the War of the Month Club. ".....I am can tell me why so many of American GIs (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard) support Ron Paul's foreign policy statements?"
Really? How do you know? Just curious. Tom, I talk with them and they are happy to voice their support for Paul. They do not criticize Obama or the government, but they do say they support Paul.
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