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Monday, August 16. 2010Proof of the Pudding
- Corporal Klinger to Sergeant Zale, in what I would cite as the apex of American television. One day, a while back, I read the oddest thing. I was just surfing around the Web, going from link to link, and suddenly blundered my way across an article in the L.A. Times that was talking about the MASH movie and TV series. It then said this:
Now, this is the liberal L.A. Times, remember, so it's no surprise that some liberal writer would try to connect the Vietnam War with the Korean War somehow. According to the writer, the show was all just a "hooded metaphor" for the ugliness of the war being fought at the time in Vietnam. Needless to say, it was a blast. I hadn't watched an entire episode in years, and suddenly I was watching about four a night, usually in the late hours. You develop a real feel for the pace; almost an intimacy with a show when you become so immersed in it. As they say, you almost feel like you're there. When Henry Blake died, it was almost as much of a blow as when it happened the first time. There's no question I wouldn't have felt near the emotion if I'd just happened to drift across that particular rerun on TV. Oh, and the "hooded metaphor"? Well, brace yourselves, but not only wasn't there anything that could even remotely be tied to the Vietnam War, but the series, itself, wasn't "anti-war" in the slightest. It was, in fact, the height of patriotism. People groping for a connection to the Vietnam War will remember Hawkeye as some kind of anti-war hero, but that's far from the truth. What he, and the other doctors, incessantly complained about, over and over and over again, wasn't the war, per se, but: 1. Boredom 2. Being "up to my ankles in blood" Now, to take the second complaint first, I think we can safely say that this is something of a universal feeling. Whether you're a MASH surgeon, a Boston General surgeon, or some guy at the local slaughterhouse, I think we can all agree that "being up to my ankles in blood" doesn't sound like it'd be very much fun. As far as the boredom goes, well, that's war, fellas. Soldiers have been complaining about boredom since the formation of the first ragged cave man army. The only episode during the 11-year run that could be viewed as "anti-war" at all was the one when Hawkeye drove to the peace talks and made a big speech in front of the delegates. But it wasn't the concept of war that got him so motivated, it was just his frustration with how slowly the peace talks were going. Col. Potter had just told him that they'd been meeting for two months and had finally decided upon the floral arrangement for the table. No one (except gung-ho Frank) ever made any serious pretense about not wanting the war to end — all soldiers want war to end. And they wanted it to end quickly — as all soldiers do. But there was never the slightest hint from the writers that our presence in Korea was 'immoral' in any way, as the liberal writer of the Times article was so desirous to believe. As an example of the patriotic theme running throughout the show, here's a scene from Season 10, Episode 2, "Identity Crisis". A G.I. gets a 'Dear John' letter from his girlfriend back home. She's decided to break off their engagement and marry the son of the local rich businessman. Hawk and Margaret are sitting at his bedside when he reads it.
This theme ran consistently throughout all eleven seasons. Various thoughts about the series: To sum up, if you ever hear or read somebody making a comparison between MASH and the Vietnam War, tell 'em to blow it out their asterisk. Ask them if they've actually watched any of the episodes — or are they just "going by their gut feeling" and what other liberal writers have said?
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Wow.
All I can say is, you and I must have watched two different series under the same name. A consistent theme throughout the run of the show was the arrant stupidity of the Army command structure. Stupid and incompetent generals, failed supply arrangements, horrible food, etc. Frank Burns was presented as the epitome of a Regular Army officer. "Army Intelligence" meant Colonel Flagg. Almost all high-ranking officers who appeared were presented as stupid or evil or both. Et cetera. One thing the writers have to be given credit for is that they never stooped to sexual or scatological humor. Say what? There's sexual humor and innuendo all over the early seasons. Trapper (a married man!) and Hawkeye chasing nurses; Frank and Hot Lips in their nightly meetings; Trapper, Hawkeye, and Henry Blake watching porn films in his office... I could go on. I agree. What series did Dr. Mercury watch?
I love the movie. The early years of the series are are pretty good. By the end (long after the actual war was over) it was tired and boring. The politics - as delivered by Hawkeye seem to get less subtle and more ham-handed as the series dragged on. The caring liberal guy is soo smart while anyone actually trying to win the war is written off as dysfunctional. Cowards and deserters are heroic. Fighters are insane or evil. I knew I was watching PC biased liberal trash when I watched this stuff as a teenager. "What series did Dr. Mercury watch?"
Well, to answer that, I watched the entire 11 years in one session with a critical eye for "hooded metaphors" at age 50. You watched it sporadically as a teenager. So, what was your point again? It's not what I saw, it's what I didn't see.
Never a competent combat officer above the rank of Lt. Never a competent combat enlisted man above the rank of Sgt. Unless the officer or soldier was a jerk or insane. It was all about poor, scared cannon fodder being led to their slaughter by maniacs and retards. I've known many former soldiers and Marines who fought in Korea - that just isn't the way it was - except in the minds of the anti-war left 20 years later. This is absolutely brilliant, although Merc may need a mental health MASH after so many hours of poring over every episode.
Having returned from service in Vietnam, and feeling very strongly and sensitive about disparagement of our mission and sacrifices, I like much of America faithfully watched MASH. Sure, some viewers may project their own agenda, but as Merc says the show was, esp. compared to some shows and movies, at most very subtly anti-war and Americans always see war as a last, regrettable resort. Most importantly, however, MASH demonstrated that in war Americans commonly exert their basic decency, and regardless of differences or grumblings cohere and focus on the mission, in MASH's case saving lives. BTW, the advances in pioneering battlefield medical care led to far fewer battlefield deaths from injuries in Vietnam, as Vietnam's has led to far fewer in Iraq and Afghanistan. I enjoyed MASH as well, Doc. However, did it escape your notice that Frank, as the Bible reading, proud patriot, is cast as a greedy, small minded, intolerant, incompetent doctor, and Margaret, the other proud patriot is also cast as a foil, at least in the early years of the show. The show did have it's biases.
I believe there was at least one occasion when they told Frank to go wrap himself in the flag. I find it difficult to believe that would have been said in Korea. There was also the excess of alcohol consumption. A doctor who served in Korea once told me that would never have happened. Maybe it was allusion to the drug use by the troops in Viet Nam? And notice the casualties conveniently stayed away when everyone was falling down drunk? There were a couple of times when the doctors operated hungover, but never drunk. Still it was a good series, though the drinking and practical jokes seemed better suited for a show about college kids. I think the first two years of the show were far and away the best. I stopped watching MASH after returning from Viet Nam. The insanity was too real and I recognized the humor and personalities as the coverup for stress. As it says in Catch-22 only the insane are sane. I agree, MASH was anti-military. jp
Bruce - Superbly put, as usual.
Wolfs, Feebs - Jeez, guys, I never said they were angels! My one and only point was that the L.A. Times writer was full of gas. Yes, there was lots of leering at the nurses and such, but always in an over-the-top way. "Slapstick sex", as it were. And sure, there were lots of biases, and challenges to biases. Look at Klinger in a skirt, and Winchester with his snobby Bostonian elitism. Fodder for the grist mill. My only point of confusion, Wolfs, is what you said about them making out Army Command to be bunch of bozos. Where's the parody in that? :) JP: "I agree, MASH was anti-military." So, you're saying the quote, "You're a brave young man fighting for your country" is... "anti-military"? On which planet? My one and only point was that the L.A. Times writer was full of gas. Yes, there was lots of leering at the nurses and such, but always in an over-the-top way.
Well yeah -- it was, after all, a situation comedy. But that doesn't change the fact that it was sexual humor. I recently bought and watched seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. before that, I'd only seen them in butchered syndie-run form. There are entire scenes that were cut for the syndie market, some of which are as explicit as it was possible to get in early-70s prime-time television. So, you're saying the quote, "You're a brave young man fighting for your country" is... "anti-military"? One quote is hardly enough to prove your point, Doc. Through the entire run of the series, there wasn't one appearance by a general officer -- or any colonel other than Blake and Potter -- who wasn't a jerk. Remember, Harry Morgan's first appearance on the series was not as Potter, but as a loony general. There was an episode where the whole plot involved a general coming to the 4077th because his son had been wounded and was being treated there. He set up a trailer as a portable command post in the compound, and kept directing some battle even as his son was dying fifty yards away. The whole slant was "look at how uncaring and inhuman this general is, his battle is more important than his own flesh and blood!" I could go on. For quite a while, in fact. Over and over, the message was that "war is inherently stupid." No mention of which side was the aggressor in Korea -- no, fighting men on both sides were shown as just as stupid, just as evil. The only exceptions were the North Korean soldiers, who were almost always shown as being Good People Despite Their Uniform. Yeah, I see M*A*S*H as anti-military. And slanted liberal. And increasingly politically correct over its run. You may find this hard to believe, but I never watched "MASH" until well after the series was over and done. For no other reason other than, at the time, I was busy with other things and I have never been a "TV" watcher anyway - as strange as it sounds, I was, and still am, a incorrigible radio listener.
My impression of "MASH" wasn't "anti-war" although there certainly was that aspect to the show - I don't think that can be denied. I always felt it was more about civilians being taken out of their environment, given minimal military training, given officer status and thrown into the middle of what could be fairly be described as a forward operating base in the middle of a war to see what happens. Add in some career oriented military personnel and hilarity ensues in the collision of cultures. When viewed in that context, a lot of "MASH" comes clearly into focus. Even Father Mulcahy, a member of a different kind of "military", had to come to grips with this as much as Hawkeye and his crew had to come to grips with the shooting military. His charge of seeing to the moral and spiritual health of his flock had to be flexible and in some cases religiously ambiguous just to keep his sanity and to work within the system. I thought he was a key character to the show's success. Having said all that, I would suggest that "MASH" would not have had the lengthy run it had if the addition of Henry Morgan as Col. Potter had not happened - something that you left out. The Grandfatherly experienced staff officer, country surgeon, member of the real horse calvary gave the show a new life and a new foil to play against. Finally, what I liked about the show was exactly as you stated and as my generational compatriot Bruce can attest - war is boredom occasionally interrupted by intense actvity. :>) "MASH" did that aspect very well. Tom - Nicely put. Always a pleasant surprise. :)
You're right, I shortshrifted Potter, and didn't mean to. Like Winchester, he was exactly what the show needed -- we just didn't know it. If asked, people would have figured we were going to get another Henry Blake type. Maybe one that would start off hard-core Army, then ease up as the season progressed. I'd suggest Colonel Potter never "eased up". Instead, Klinger stopped wearing a dress, Hawk and Margeret were told to grow up, Winchester was taken down a few pegs, and, as you said, it really gave the show a kick in the pants. Here's to you, Henry Morgan. (clink!) I have to agree that the program was brilliant in every way. Can't think of a TV series now in place that compares.
As one whose husband served 20 years "flying jets" in WWII (the big -one-across-the-pond) and Korea, whose classmates served wa-a-a-ay too long in 'Nam and whose son-in-law is 20-year career Army recently returned from Iraq and serving in the CASH (Combat Support Hospital) units, I also think that it was about the average Joe that gets stuck in the nonsense of war and tries his best to get through. All my above-said contacts love the series, have read the book and watched the movie that led to the TV program. JP: My friends who fought in Viet Nam had the same reaction as you...couldn't watch it. However, I think it prepared my son-in-law's generation for the fact that war IS insane but necessary in certain circumstances. It's a very, very difficult topic. Bruce: When I was a practicing journalist, the docs at Cook County Hospital in Chicago told me that all their expertise in handling gunshot wounds, etc. in urban gang warfare was learned while serving in Viet Nam. Now the EMTs in my neighborhood are trained in and carrying equipment perfected on the battlefields of the Middle East. It is sad, but true, that advances in emergency care that benefit us all most often come from the combat zones of warfare. Thanks to all of you who have served and are now serving our country. Just returned from Ft. Sam in San Antonio where they are involved with planning for another Katrina, another BP spill, another "whatever" as well as the specific, identified battles now taking place. My take is that we are spread too thin. Their take is that they are "just doing their job." Doc: You're doing a great job managing the site while BD is vacationing. A true smorgasbord (sp?) of postings. Thank you! Where's Meta? As a (short term) junior infantry officer who served during the Korean War (but who never left the States) I could never watch MASH.
As others have noted it was basically anti-Army. In knew many officer-vets of the Korean War, many of them having earned a star for their Combat Infantry Badge as survivors of WW II. Damned few of them were buffoons. Another factor that made me dislike it was my own experience with Army docs. With some exceptions they were slovenly-dressed whiners. In those years MDs were drafted -- and entered as officers without suffering the rigors of OCS -- and although they were paid a premium over whatever their rank warranted they were very unhappy about the fact they were not civilian docs pulling down more bucks. jma -
"Can't think of a TV series now in place that compares." Or in recent history. The only one that springs to mind is "NCIS", just because they seemed to have nailed that same perfect chemistry with the players. But it's a crime drama -- sprinkled with the occasional humor -- not an outright sit-com like MASH was, and that "-com" makes a big, big difference. And please -- hold off on those compliments until we know the place is still standing at the bitter end. Remember, you're getting all the good stuff first. Physics, alone, decrees that it's nowhere but downhill from here. :) Yeh, no, not quite the same. I'm not a huge TV watcher so I have to rely on my walk-throughs to gear who's whatching what. MASH just seemed to "do it" and is still "doing it" with those years away from Korea. Anyway, who ever I visit, they have MASH on their programs.
As for comments on your managing the site, I found y'all looking up "hostas." Don't ask. This is a most enjoyable ride. I generally agree with Doctor Mercury on this, having grown up watching the whole series. I would add a third to his suggested themes:
1)Blood 2)Boredome 3)Bureaucracy (as in, the difficulties related to getting anything reasonable done by going through the chain of command andf the military complex.) I hate typos. Can anyone add an "edit" feature to our comments? Seems right up your alley, Doc. Not like you have nothing else to do, right? :-)
Big Al -
Excellent addition. I'd include "Bureaucratic Incompetency" in the post, but it's already on another list: "The Immutable Laws of Life" Only one list per customer. :) As for that incessant stream of typos comng out of you, we just look at it as part of your natural charm. That big looping grin. That twinkle in your one good eye. That adorable spittle of drool running down your chin. Misspelling the word "and". It's these wonderful traits that make you YOU, big guy! Hang on to them, never let them go! That's why they call me "Doctor". Because I'm here to help. Merc,
And we are here to help you, as well! "Steady as she goes Skipper!". You've got the helm (with the crew) and things look good. Excellent writing on one of my all time favourite (yes, we spell it like that up 'here') shows. A "well done" to you and Maggie's helpers. The Canuck "incessant stream of typos?"
That hurts. Now I "feel so suicidal, just like Dylan's Mr. Jones." I think those "Beetles" guys wrote that. Garfroze of the Northern Nookland -
"favourite (yes, we spell it like that up 'here')" And you have our deepest condolences at your shorter lives. Assuming we all write the same number of words, all of that extra time you and the Brits and Aussies spend typing "colour", "neighbour" -- not to mention "programme" -- really adds up over the long run. Since you waste more time writing the words than we do, we have more spare time at the end of it. Ergo, we live longer lives. Better luck in your next country, Doc Merc,
Not looking for a "next country", my friend. Quite happy where I sit. And what do I do when I've spent all that extra time spelling words with 1 additionall letter? Why, I watch how my good neighbors (to the south) fill in their extra time. It's amusing, for sure! And ur right at the top of the list. See you on-the-flip. The Canuck P.s. well done on your articles. Very busy and quite informative too. I found the Hawkeye character to wear badly over time. Smug, self-satisfied, too many over-clever quips in the scripts. I watched it regularly for a long time, but it became less and less interesting to me every year. I think the PC/Hollywood stuff got more prominent each year.
That's a fair observation. Anyone who plays a "smug" character is bound to wear thin after a while. On the flip side, go watch Winchester's first number of episodes. He made Hawk look like a friggin' maroon. And there were a few episodes where he went a little loony, so at least they were trying to keep the character somewhat grounded. But, yeah, "smug" is the word. Alda had the perfect smug smile.
Have to say I always watched it as a "hooded reference" to Viet Nam and to the America the enlightened left always hated. Maybe we were ultra-sensitive, though, growing up Navy. Always found many of the themes and gags "borrowed" from "Catch 22" as well. That said: I still found it very very good television for its time and still regard the Henry Blake going home episodes as great.... We lost a neighbor/helicopter pilot on one of the last days of the pull out, all these years later (I was 12) those memories of my mother crying are sort of entwined with the Henry Blake episode. So yes I read it as commentary on Viet Nam even at 12. (and yes I knew the difference)
Did the Koreans wear black pajamas and those angled straw hats? It is my understanding that they did not in real life, but they sure did in M*A*S*H.
Moreover there is a long tradition (hundreds or thousands of years worth) of criticizing the current King or war by setting a play/show in the past. I believe both "Generation Kill" (2008) and "Over There" (2005) were set in this Iraq war, but "Jarhead" (2005, movie) was set in the Gulf War. FYI, the guy who wrote many of the MASH episodes, as well as Cheers, has blog at: http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/
Hollywood liberal, of course, but funny blog. I can think of one other show that ended with the set being destroyed by the cast: Little House on the Prairie.
Mind you, it was after the original series had ended. Michael Landon talked NBC into doing three TV-movie episodes after the cancellation. The final one had an eeevil land speculator buying up Walnut Grove, and the residents are to be forced out. They decide to blow up the whole town as they leave, and do so. Everything but the church was dynamited, and it was damaged by flying debris from the other buildings. I remember cringing at Alda while growing up, and when I watch now I have to turn it.
The man who wrote the book, H. Richard Hornberger, would not watch the series, though he did enjoy the movie. His house is up for auction on August 28. He died in '97, his widow recently. I am not nearly as up on the series as you folks, but a couple of links on the author and Altman I stuck over here: [url]http://mattio829.blogspot.com/2010/08/so-i-wasnt-only-one.html[url] woops, guess I didn't do that correctly.
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